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SDCs
Nov 17, 2015 15:05:38 GMT 9
Post by songbanana on Nov 17, 2015 15:05:38 GMT 9
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Post by CaptainSeery on Nov 17, 2015 15:38:41 GMT 9
Okay, now I think I get more of where you're coming from and the reasons for your complaints. From what it sounds like, the planning session was a mess and the minutes even more so.
Like marudate said, soft skills are important and there's concrete skills there that ALTs can use in their work.
A smart goal is a goal with concrete, specific markers. For example when people are talking about language study "I want to know all the kanji" is not a smart goal. A smart goal would be, "by doing this and this and this and spending at least x hours a week studying, I want to be able to read (a newspaper/manga/video game Japanese) and at least grasp the overall concept by the end of the year." Smart goals are not overwhelmingly vague and unreachable, they include timelines, and they include HOW the goal is going to be reached. It's like planning a curriculum. You can say that students should be able to do THIS by the end of the year, but that's not really helpful until you break that down into steps with smaller goals throughout the year.
"Help JETs find their purpose in life" is hugely vague, completely undoable in the course of a one-day conference, and completely disregards all of the various experiences and personal goals each JET has. That's why it's not a smart goal.
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Post by CaptainSeery on Nov 17, 2015 15:41:10 GMT 9
Ahaha thank you for all of those links that I totally missed because I didn't see this page.
I didn't realize that SMART was actually an acronym, but I'm pretty proud of myself for hitting on most of those points.
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Post by Researcher Irish on Nov 17, 2015 16:26:36 GMT 9
Thanks for the links songbanana.
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Post by G-Rex on Nov 30, 2015 9:59:42 GMT 9
1. The General Discussion thing Don't get me wrong. ALTs can びtch and moan wherever they want and whenever they want. We absolutely do it here. I do it here every day. I definitely am not trying to be self righteous in that regard. However, I think we would both think it would be ridiculous if there was a deai workshop or a game of Are you a Gaikokujin at Mid-Year Chaos. Its not comparing like with like. my new workshop for prefectural orientation "an exercise in team-building and the importance of communication - AYAG?"
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Post by hawkeye on Dec 2, 2015 14:02:10 GMT 9
Hello folks, since there is a discussion going on about SDCs I hope it's okay for me to post here. I'm not actually involved in planning SDC at all, but our ALT PA is and she is having some struggles. Recently the number of ES ALTs increased a lot in our prefecture, but the way that SDC is currently structured doesn't help them at all, because they basically divide into groups with JTEs and do lesson demonstrations and presentations and discussions, but no BOE will allow any of their elementary school teachers to come to SDC so the ES ALTs, mostly first years, got a JHS JTE who none of them had worked with before and who stayed silent the entire time. Apparently it was a pretty meaningless for them.
I would really appreciate it if some folks who help organise SDCs could share whether JTEs attend as well and what kinds of things are done to accommodate for ES teachers. From the sounds of it some people have a bunch of presentations and stuff that aren't necessarily about teaching, but from what I understand we don't do anything like that at ours.
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SDCs
Dec 2, 2015 14:39:17 GMT 9
Post by CaptainSeery on Dec 2, 2015 14:39:17 GMT 9
This is ES-only ALTs, right? But no ES teachers can come to SDC so there is no way for the ES ALTs to do group demos and discussions like JHS and SHS ALTs do, is that the problem?
Do you know why the BoEs don't let the teachers come? Is it that they don't want them to leave school? If the kencho makes a big fuss about it would be really helpful for the teachers, they'll learn a lot, remember that in just a few years English is going to be a full-blown subject for 5th and 6th grades - that might be helpful in getting the BoEs to unbend. I'm sure that's already being done to some extent, but... In my prefecture there are some JTEs. Only a handful of them are ES HRTs but there are a few.
Is it possible to have the ES ALTs in a group by themselves with no JTEs at all but with a list of topics and things to go through? It sounds like that would be more useful.
It sounds like your SDC is entirely discussion and group-work based, which I think is a fairly unusual format. I think they're usually centered around workshops, just like the CIR Mid-Year Chaos.
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SDCs
Dec 2, 2015 14:54:15 GMT 9
Post by songbanana on Dec 2, 2015 14:54:15 GMT 9
Hello folks, since there is a discussion going on about SDCs I hope it's okay for me to post here. I'm not actually involved in planning SDC at all, but our ALT PA is and she is having some struggles. Recently the number of ES ALTs increased a lot in our prefecture, but the way that SDC is currently structured doesn't help them at all, because they basically divide into groups with JTEs and do lesson demonstrations and presentations and discussions, but no BOE will allow any of their elementary school teachers to come to SDC so the ES ALTs, mostly first years, got a JHS JTE who none of them had worked with before and who stayed silent the entire time. Apparently it was a pretty meaningless for them. I would really appreciate it if some folks who help organise SDCs could share whether JTEs attend as well and what kinds of things are done to accommodate for ES teachers. From the sounds of it some people have a bunch of presentations and stuff that aren't necessarily about teaching, but from what I understand we don't do anything like that at ours. (pimpin the PA FB group for your ALT PA) As someone who also taught at ES, this was a big priority for me as PA so I'm glad to see you also recognize the problem. There is very little support for ES ALTs at school and at SDC. Here is what we do, I can tell you more about how it came to happen if it's a direction you think would work for your area. -more workshops/general teaching presentations by and for ES ALTs. We have at least a couple of the 12-16 workshops of various styles on this topic, and ALTs who do ES and JHS can choose to attend. -being careful with language and audience throughout SDC so that ES ALTs feel involved (saying "JTE or HRT" and making sure other presentations and workshops incorporate suggestions for all levels) -for the past ∞ years, ES ALTs have come without a HRT from their school. They still give lesson demonstrations and workshops, they just do it on their own. This isn't ideal but I think it's better than dragging a JHS JTE out of school to 同行 a stranger they've never worked with. -this year after pushing real hard for it for years, we got ES level "regional leaders" to come to the second half of the first day of SDC. These teachers are generally in charge of the professional development of their area (my understanding) so they didn't work with the JET ALTs but they did work with private ones/others who don't come to our SDC. To accommodate them, we did all activities that afternoon in English and Japanese and made the pamphlet bilingual. Next year I'm hoping to buff up our "accommodations" for them now that we have a precedent, and try to get a teacher from the actual schools our JETs teach at.
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Post by hawkeye on Dec 2, 2015 15:05:10 GMT 9
Yeah they all attend the same SDC and JHS and SHS JTEs come, but since the ES teachers are HRT they don't want the to leave school. Our ES teachers all only teach at ES.
I was thinking that too after reading through this thread. If we can't get any ES teachers maybe they need to have a differently structured program. Do any other prefectures divide ALTs based on the level they teach at and have different programs for them?
Yeah I was surprised by this discussion to be honest. At ours the ALTs and JTEs all have different roles (presenting, recording, moderating, etc.) and it's pretty much group work the whole day.
EDIT: I didn't see your response before I posed songbanana. Thank you, that info is really useful. Would you mind if our ALT PA were to send you an email or something?
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SDCs
Dec 2, 2015 15:18:24 GMT 9
Post by CaptainSeery on Dec 2, 2015 15:18:24 GMT 9
Huh. Interesting.
Our SDCs are entirely workshop based and we don't do anything like your groupwork. Many or most of them are level-specific or say in the descriptions that because they're taught by X-level ALTs and JTEs it's going to be leaning towards that level, but others are welcome to come. But there's a fairly good balance between ES, JHS, and SHS I think. I also don't think there's many ONLY ES people.
Your SDC sounds more like the conferences my city/gun held for English teachers. There would be a demonstration class, then we would be split into categories to do group discussions and maybe come up with a lesson plan together. It would be hosted by an ES or JHS in alternate years, and all ALTs taught at both JHS and ES (because it was municipal there were no SHS teachers). I'd say on average we got put into one JTE discussion, two HRT discussions, and one only-ALT discussion. But then my city was focusing very heavily on English in elementary school. As of this coming April, all 1st and 2nd graders are going to have English 20 times a year, and 3-6 grades 35 times a year. So in preparatin for that they've been including HRTs in conferences and trying to really include the ALTs.
...Sorry, that got off topic.
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SDCs
Dec 2, 2015 15:33:31 GMT 9
Post by songbanana on Dec 2, 2015 15:33:31 GMT 9
hawkeye no problem, I'll pm you my email address! Like CaptainSeery said, half the battle is convincing everyone (SDC planners, BOE people, the teachers themselves) that it's important for them to come. You can point to the new English curriculum and if you have some 実績 numbers and quotes from previous SDCs ("80% of JTEs rated SDC 5/5 stars!" "This JTE said 'I got many ideas on how to work with my ALT'") that might help. The second half is actually planning something that would be beneficial to them, and having a good balance between lecture/presentation style and groupwork/discussion style. We've experimented splitting people by level, area, JTE/ALT, etc. with varying results. This year we also pushed having more JTE presenters, which was awesome for everyone IMO.
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hawkeye
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Post by hawkeye on Dec 2, 2015 15:40:36 GMT 9
This information is really useful, thank you both! It sounds like there are definitely things we can be doing to accommodate the ES ALTs even if we can't convince the BOEs to send any teachers (we can maybe try some of those methods to convince them next year though).
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SDCs
Dec 2, 2015 16:52:50 GMT 9
Post by telly on Dec 2, 2015 16:52:50 GMT 9
Wouldn't the problem at ES level be that all teachers would have to attend, since everyone mostly teaches everything? At least this is how it was handled at the school my wife used to work.
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SDCs
Dec 2, 2015 17:05:17 GMT 9
Post by CaptainSeery on Dec 2, 2015 17:05:17 GMT 9
Usually at ES level one teacher will 代表 for the school - usually the 英語担当 or a 5th/6th grade teacher. I think they're supposed to share their findings with other teachers although I doubt there's too much time for that.
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SDCs
Dec 8, 2015 10:39:43 GMT 9
Post by Researcher Irish on Dec 8, 2015 10:39:43 GMT 9
Im sorry about your issue hawkeye. Unfortunately all of our ES teachers are also JHS (cept one) so they ust hop in with JHS teachers when we do those kinds of activities.
So just as a follow up our SDC planning meeting is on Friday and I have to go explain my viewpoint that the workshops that were thought of are not what I think an SDC should be. ALT PA actually agreed with me but it turns out that he is at T and I so he cant help.
Because of a complete lack of options for speakers we now are going with some random guy the Japanaese PA found who he has never met, has never received a recommendation for and who is a Bachelor of Science in Economics. The other option was a professor of Education in Geefs who I dont particularly enjoy but at least his points will come from some knowledge base. I heard him before and he was very controversial and I disagreed with him on almost everything he said but at least he had opinions.
So I sent everyone both peeps profiles and was like who do you think and everyone unanimously picked the not professor guy. One guy said "Itll be nice to get a change from people saying the same old things". There has been like zero overlap in the stuff that people say in SDCs. This guy has only ever been to two anyways. URRRRRRRGH
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SDCs
Dec 8, 2015 11:20:11 GMT 9
Post by songbanana on Dec 8, 2015 11:20:11 GMT 9
Im sorry about your issue hawkeye. Unfortunately all of our ES teachers are also JHS (cept one) so they ust hop in with JHS teachers when we do those kinds of activities. So just as a follow up our SDC planning meeting is on Friday and I have to go explain my viewpoint that the workshops that were thought of are not what I think an SDC should be. ALT PA actually agreed with me but it turns out that he is at T and I so he cant help. Because of a complete lack of options for speakers we now are going with some random guy the Japanaese PA found who he has never met, has never received a recommendation for and who is a Bachelor of Science in Economics. The other option was a professor of Education in Geefs who I dont particularly enjoy but at least his points will come from some knowledge base. I heard him before and he was very controversial and I disagreed with him on almost everything he said but at least he had opinions. So I sent everyone both peeps profiles and was like who do you think and everyone unanimously picked the not professor guy. One guy said "Itll be nice to get a change from people saying the same old things". There has been like zero overlap in the stuff that people say in SDCs. This guy has only ever been to two anyways. URRRRRRRGH You know who you should use, if you can change it at this point, is Dr. Tim Murphey who teaches at Kanda University in Chiba. He had super practical and useful advice, and has a really good understanding of the ALT situation and ESL in Japan. Also it was really interactive (if you are like me it might not be your style but everyone else enjoyed it) and was a huge hit at our SDC. PM if you want his email!
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Post by Researcher Irish on Jan 26, 2016 14:12:02 GMT 9
We had our SDC recently and it was the best one that I have been involved in in my three years here.
I fought very hard for an increased teaching focus in the workshops and Id say I got 80% of what I wanted. There were some let downs where we gave people chances to discuss but they werent guided at all and we also had a goal setting portion which was equally a mess.
But everything around that was really good and everyone planned stuff really well by all accounts. YAY
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SDCs
Jan 26, 2016 14:53:32 GMT 9
Post by songbanana on Jan 26, 2016 14:53:32 GMT 9
Glad to hear it was pretty successful irish! Maybe that will make future conferences go further in the teaching direction!
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