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Post by miscreative on Jan 12, 2016 11:01:31 GMT 9
I probably should have made this thread a while ago but meh.
I am doing a presentation at the community center on American food and food culture as a lens for viewing america (as opposed to just dry numbers and stats, giving a new context), maybe pulling out stats, history to show how food, culture, populations, geography, and history are intertwines.
i dont want this to just be 'and this is an ice cream sundae. and this is fried chicken.' etc but i also dont want this to get too big/out of hand as i only have like an hour
at any rate. does anyone have input/suggestions/things to include/etc as i go about making this presentation?
In my list of things to include i have: (basic) regional foods, international foods (going to point out where and why regarding demographics), americanized international foods (the fortune cookie is american!), seasonal/holiday foods, desserts
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Post by Caic on Jan 12, 2016 11:15:38 GMT 9
I probably should have made this thread a while ago but meh. I am doing a presentation at the community center on American food and food culture as a lens for viewing america (as opposed to just dry numbers and stats, giving a new context), maybe pulling out stats, history to show how food, culture, populations, geography, and history are intertwines. i dont want this to just be 'and this is an ice cream sundae. and this is fried chicken.' etc but i also dont want this to get too big/out of hand as i only have like an hour at any rate. does anyone have input/suggestions/things to include/etc as i go about making this presentation? In my list of things to include i have: (basic) regional foods, international foods (going to point out where and why regarding demographics), americanized international foods (the fortune cookie is american!), seasonal/holiday foods, desserts 4649~ i did a joint presentation with american CIR on ireland and american SHOKBUMKA and stuff and it was really long and like 3 hours or some shite. maybe it would be useful i dunno
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Post by Caic on Jan 12, 2016 11:16:28 GMT 9
wait i actually dont remember what american CIR said at all woops
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Post by miscreative on Jan 12, 2016 11:16:35 GMT 9
I probably should have made this thread a while ago but meh. I am doing a presentation at the community center on American food and food culture as a lens for viewing america (as opposed to just dry numbers and stats, giving a new context), maybe pulling out stats, history to show how food, culture, populations, geography, and history are intertwines. i dont want this to just be 'and this is an ice cream sundae. and this is fried chicken.' etc but i also dont want this to get too big/out of hand as i only have like an hour at any rate. does anyone have input/suggestions/things to include/etc as i go about making this presentation? In my list of things to include i have: (basic) regional foods, international foods (going to point out where and why regarding demographics), americanized international foods (the fortune cookie is american!), seasonal/holiday foods, desserts 4649~ i did a joint presentation with american CIR on ireland and american SHOKBUMKA and stuff and it was really long and like 3 hours or some しte. maybe it would be useful i dunno it would be a good reference i think. even if i dont use it i would like to see it
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Post by Caic on Jan 12, 2016 11:16:42 GMT 9
i probably wont be helpful then hue
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Post by Caic on Jan 12, 2016 11:17:00 GMT 9
yeah i just realised i only have my part of the powerpoint
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Post by miscreative on Jan 12, 2016 11:17:03 GMT 9
wait i actually dont remember what american CIR said at all woops its not a powerpoint?
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Post by miscreative on Jan 12, 2016 11:19:51 GMT 9
orz damn
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Post by Caic on Jan 12, 2016 11:21:34 GMT 9
hue soz innit
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Post by CaptainSeery on Jan 12, 2016 15:41:12 GMT 9
I probably should have made this thread a while ago but meh. I am doing a presentation at the community center on American food and food culture as a lens for viewing america (as opposed to just dry numbers and stats, giving a new context), maybe pulling out stats, history to show how food, culture, populations, geography, and history are intertwines. i dont want this to just be 'and this is an ice cream sundae. and this is fried chicken.' etc but i also dont want this to get too big/out of hand as i only have like an hour at any rate. does anyone have input/suggestions/things to include/etc as i go about making this presentation? In my list of things to include i have: (basic) regional foods, international foods (going to point out where and why regarding demographics), americanized international foods (the fortune cookie is american!), seasonal/holiday foods, desserts 4649~ I tend to approach American food culture from the lens of 移民の国 to show how very few foods, even the most "American," are actually from America. But they do change a lot after arriving here (see: regional variations of pizza) so that's an interesting thing to talk about. It might be interesting for the audience if you touch on how Japanese food changes in America (fried sushi, the idea that sushi = makizushi, etc. When I took my dad to a sushi restaurant here, he was like "but there was only one piece of sushi!" which was was kappazushi. Everything else was nigiri.) I don't want to feed into the "look how silly GAIKOK is" idea, but it is an interesting topic. I think you have a good list going! There's a lot to cover in an hour.
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Post by songbanana on Jan 13, 2016 10:15:05 GMT 9
One thing that came up recently in an off-topic convo at work is the "basic food setup." Like for example, Japanese food has the fundamental set up of 一汁三菜: rice (goes on the left), soup, often miso (goes on the right), and 3 OKAZU: the SHUSAI main dish (often meat or fish), and FUKUSAI dishes. So when Japanese people try to do 洋食 they substitute the rice for bread and the miso soup for CONSOME, but the basic set up is still the same. That's also why they ask you "Bread or Rice?" because the thought of having a chicken salad with no carbs blows that whole fundamental set up out of the water. At KYUUSYOKU they would also talk about food by color: green=vegetables, yellow=carbs, red=meat/fish. So when we had special buffet day they'd say you can take # greens, # yellows and # reds. I thought this was an interesting and easy-to-understand (though not always accurate) way of thinking about food balance. You could compare this to the food pyramid (or wheel or whatever) in American lunchrooms.
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Post by CaptainSeery on Jan 13, 2016 11:18:45 GMT 9
Would any of you be offended if I stole some of your ideas from this thread and write about them in my monthly column? I can't think of a topic and then I remembered this thread...
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Post by snell_mouse on Jan 13, 2016 11:22:15 GMT 9
Isn't that what the whole work section of the forum is for? (Getting advice and stealing ideas from each other) Haha.
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Post by CaptainSeery on Jan 13, 2016 11:24:50 GMT 9
Just being polite
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Post by miscreative on Jan 13, 2016 11:39:51 GMT 9
also, i think i am dividing my presentation into 4 main sections (to be further broken down but still)
-International food in america -americanized international food (including what you think is american/became american such as hamburgers, pizza, etc) -everyday food (what i grew up on but also what everyone in america knows/likes such as mac and cheese, pb and j, etc) -seasonal/holiday/special event foods (starting with parties in general and then talking about holiday traditions including 'nontraditional' dishes such as vegetarian, or other cultures take on xmas food)
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Post by ixiedin on Jan 13, 2016 22:56:41 GMT 9
Maybe also people's perception on food as it relates to health? To me it's quite polarized in America. On one hand you have places like the heart attach grill where people stuff themselves with high-calorie high-grease foods and can't care less, and on the other hand we have groups like raw vegans and people who won't touch gluten that I think are pretty unique to American food culture.
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Post by icaman on Apr 15, 2016 10:29:57 GMT 9
Maybe also people's perception on food as it relates to health? To me it's quite polarized in America. On one hand you have places like the heart attach grill where people stuff themselves with high-calorie high-grease foods and can't care less, and on the other hand we have groups like raw vegans and people who won't touch gluten that I think are pretty unique to American food culture. Vegan and gluten-free diets... that's a good idea for an event right there. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 11:03:18 GMT 9
Super late to the game but if you include access to various cultures' food maybe also mention that a lot of Americans can use chopsticks, and do so fairly regularly when they eat Asian cuisines?
a) I've found a lot of Japanese people are shocked by that, so it may prove interesting trivia. b) Maybe by spreading awareness I'll have fewer total randos come up to me as I'm trying to eat my meal in peace and ''''''compliment'''''' me on my miraculous ability to use chopsticks.
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Post by marudate on Sept 12, 2016 14:42:15 GMT 9
It could be interesting to mention which foods are indigenous to the Americas that then became popular in Europe and Japan (e.g. corn, potatoes, peppers). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_cropsGlobalization started a while ago, and I think mixing of food cultures is really a question of degree (I see today's US as a particularly strong cultural crossroads rather than some cultureless aberration). It might be fun to include pictures of what these foods originally looked like, too as they were transformed by cultivation. The US also has huge regional variation, like the Spanish-Native American southwest, Cajun gulf area, southern African-American food culture, and more, but local food tends to be overlooked in favor of fast food and mass culture with their marketing budgets.
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Post by CaptainSeery on Sept 12, 2016 15:09:30 GMT 9
I recently had someone swear to me that オクラ was a Japanese word. They were shocked to learn that it's West African, come to Japan most likely via the US.
So things like that could be interesting too!
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Post by miscreative on Sept 12, 2016 15:36:25 GMT 9
I recently had someone swear to me that オクラ was a Japanese word. They were shocked to learn that it's West African, come to Japan most likely via the US. So things like that could be interesting too! i guess to be fair we do that in english too but in japanese you would think it would be more obvious because カタカナ
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Post by marudate on Sept 12, 2016 15:58:16 GMT 9
煙草 たばこ : )
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Post by CaptainSeery on Sept 12, 2016 16:41:00 GMT 9
Sometimes there are words that are usually written in katakana are native Japanese words. Although those are mostly animals and such things, but I guess maybe there are some foods? I can't think of anything off the top of my head but it doesn't seem unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 17:52:14 GMT 9
Sometimes there are words that are usually written in katakana are native Japanese words. Although those are mostly animals and such things, but I guess maybe there are some foods? I can't think of anything off the top of my head but it doesn't seem unlikely. Fun Fact: ラッコ and トナカイ are both Ainu words originally. Actually 昆布 comes from the Ainu word "konp" but of course they don't get credit for it.
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Post by Mumblesnore on Sept 13, 2016 9:57:06 GMT 9
I recently had someone swear to me that オクラ was a Japanese word. They were shocked to learn that it's West African, come to Japan most likely via the US. So things like that could be interesting too! not about food, but I've had multiple Japanse people be shocked that I knew the game Uno and then they were doubly shocked to learn that it's an American import and that the name comes from Spanish
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Post by no yark shark on Sept 13, 2016 10:20:40 GMT 9
I recently had someone swear to me that オクラ was a Japanese word. They were shocked to learn that it's West African, come to Japan most likely via the US. So things like that could be interesting too! not about food, but I've had multiple Japanse people be shocked that I knew the game Uno and then they were doubly shocked to learn that it's an American import and that the name comes from Spanish i had this happen with bowling once too.
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Post by miscreative on Sept 13, 2016 10:42:20 GMT 9
not about food, but I've had multiple Japanse people be shocked that I knew the game Uno and then they were doubly shocked to learn that it's an American import and that the name comes from Spanish i had this happen with bowling once too. they... thought bowling was japanese?
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Post by no yark shark on Sept 13, 2016 10:42:48 GMT 9
i had this happen with bowling once too. they... thought bowling was japanese? yes.
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Post by miscreative on Sept 13, 2016 10:49:27 GMT 9
they... thought bowling was japanese? yes. again. i know that i have thought the same about other things too.... or when you have no idea where it is from because you never thought/were told about it ちなみに didnt bowling originate in the UK as a lawn game? fake edit kinda not really (depends on where you draw the line of "origins")
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Post by no yark shark on Sept 13, 2016 10:56:21 GMT 9
Yeah I read the wikipedia after I posted. Apparently the first indoor bowling alley was American though
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