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Post by imashikanai on Mar 31, 2019 8:31:06 GMT 9
Hi all,
Newbie here (incoming CIR). Serious question, but I'd like to hear people's thoughts on their job satisfaction / happiness? Does the work feel like it gives you purpose? Do you have a lot of free time or are you overwhelmed? Is the work intellectually stimulating? Was the job better or worse than you expected before coming to Japan? If you could compare it to any other jobs you've had, that would be cool as well.
A lot of people become English teachers in order to live in Japan, but don't enjoy the job (myself included with 1 year exp as an ALT). But I'm hoping that the CIR job will be more ... fulfilling? Obviously I think this depends greatly on one's personality and interests.
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Post by Aya Raincoat on Mar 31, 2019 11:43:50 GMT 9
I applied to the CIR position so I could translate, and that's what I'm doing most of the time. I used to do bilingual editing and translation back home too (with a different language pair, though), and I must say that I feel way more appreciated here than at my previous jobs, and that makes a big difference. The problems inherent to translation are the same everywhere (people thinking they know better, weird deadlines, etc.), but my coworkers and bosses are on my side, so they've been minimized for me. I do minimal interpretation, but it's always stressful, haha. The worst part of my job is probably being PA; it can be fulfilling, but I know I'm a people-pleaser, so it's hard and stressful when we can't really help everyone, or when there's conflict. I've had it easier than in other prefecture though. My favourite part has probably become school visits. We have a strict (?) "CIRs aren't here to teach language" rule, so I only do talks about my country and cooking lessons, essentially. I still don't love visiting high schools, but primary school and cooking is great! I guess the only caveat is that, since lessons are usually around 40 minutes, you can't say everything, and you sometimes have to rely on stereotypes and generalizations... Then I have some tourist stuff (essentially visiting parts of my prefecture and writing about them or posting pictures), but that doesn't seem like work, so I don,t count it, haha.
I had a lot of free time in my first year, but this year, so far, I've been pretty steadily busy with a few insanity spikes. I wouldn't say by job gives me purpose, but it is stimulating and I like my coworkers so far (we'll see Monday with the new IDOW). I guess it's pretty much what I hoped for, since I try not to have expectations.
All-in-all, I really enjoy the working part of the CIR experience so far, and it's one reason I'm not ready to go back home yet.
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Post by imashikanai on Mar 31, 2019 17:50:21 GMT 9
Awesome, sounds like you have a good variety of work.
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Post by marudate on Apr 1, 2019 0:01:37 GMT 9
The answers to your question are very specific to your placement. Does your contracting organization have a real need for the CIR and make use of the CIR's skills, or is it a position created years ago and just kept going? Is it a long-established position in a large office, where the tasks are regular, but perhaps static? Is it a new CIR position where nothing is set and needs to be figured out from scratch?
In general you'll have plenty of free time to do something and enough money to be active.
I got to be a pioneer CIR in a small community and helped set the scope of my position, so in that sense it was rewarding. My boss and coworkers were great and I really got to know people in my town. It also led to other opportunities to stay in Japan and helped me improve my not-so-good language ability.
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Post by Dee on Apr 1, 2019 9:39:01 GMT 9
On a scale of 1-10 I would probably rate my satisfaction level at an 8 or 9.
I am a new CIR in a very small town in rural Hokkaido, employed by the town BOE. There was precedence for my position but there has also been room for me to make suggestions and increase my workload. My work is also half ALT-ish and half-CIR.
I spend my mornings at the town kindergarten, working as an assistant classroom teacher and give daily 10-20 min English and culture lessons to kids ranging in age from 3-6. I am surprised by how much I really enjoy working at the kindergarten, and teaching to the kids. i don't think I would like it as much if I was doing this at a higher grade level. I also have a 3 yr old kid of my own, which helps.
I spend my afternoons at town hall, my desk is in the Tourism/Commerce department where I do a lot of work for our UNESCO Global Geopark. This work includes mostly translation (JP-EN, EN-JP), some occasional interpretation, and some travel. I have also given presentations in both Japanese and English on behalf of my geopark and attended a variety of workshops and conferences (domestic and international).
I also assist and co-teach the weekly English Club with the town ALTs, hold occasional culture presentations, and this last year planned and taught 4 cooking classes. Even with all of this, I don't necessarily feel overworked. I do have busy times where I may get a bit stressed, but over all I feel the amount of work is just right.
Being at the kindergarten has really helped me to get to know a lot of the locals since I get to meet the parents of the kids I teach, and get to know the teachers. I really feel like part of the community, and so does my husband (even tho he doesn't really speak any Japanese). Even tho we are out in the INAKA (closest city is a 2.5 hr drive away) I don't feel all that isolated and we can get everything we need in our own town or the neighboring towns.
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Post by dr. pussy popper on Apr 1, 2019 9:47:23 GMT 9
It really, really depends. I have days where I want to quit immediately, and I have days where I love it and want to stay forever. Japan is a difficult place to live, plain and simple, and it fucks with a lot of people's heads. I feel like I change my mind about how I feel about my work every day.
I'm either super swamped with work or don't really have anything to do; there's no in-between. Currently I'm on the latter end of things. I work at a performing arts center, specifically one with an artist-in-residence program. So my duties revolve around what KIND of artists are staying and HOW much help they need. Some people are self sustaining, others need the office for everything from PR, making props/supplies, running tech or helping with workshops, or, in my case (if its not a Japanese artist) doing ATENDO and interpreting. I don't like interpreting art subjects and it's kind of stressful, but my office isn't really hard on me and helps out if I struggle. I feel I'm mainly here to network with foreign artists and have a "foreigner soul" if that makes any sense? I've gone on a couple business trips to art conferences and done ATENDO for people who asked to be shown the facilities, and they tend to stick around more because I'm a bubbly person who they can relate to more than typically solemn and withdrawn Japanese artists. I also help out with translations and other PR (photo/audio) relating to art in my city as a whole.
On some days I work at city hall for the international communications division where I translate and do English checks for more typical tourism activities. E.g. the onsen resort town I work at, temples, the luxury handbag business, various museums and exhibitions, etc. I'm also tasked to help the other two CIRs who work at city hall and the tourism agency respectively whenever they need a hand. I also run several TripAdvisor pages.
One of the perks of my job is that I can freely attend any dance or music classes that are held at the center and, of course, I see the rehearsals and final performances of the artists staying here. (Going to one in an hour in fact). So that's super fun! I just wish that I had more to do. The longer I stay here the more responsibilities I'm given, because I am the first person in this position ever and there are no clear rules laid out as to what I should be doing. I'm in a good mood rn so this is a rather happy answer hue but I am also frequently disappointed by the lack of workflow or, conversely, the maddening amount of ZANGYOU I have to do on weekends. So...ESID hue.
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Post by dr. pussy popper on Apr 1, 2019 9:51:57 GMT 9
... Is this a new cheeky huleezu. Divisoin.
**Edit: But...but WHY.
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Post by thelatter on Apr 1, 2019 10:05:04 GMT 9
1st Placement: 5/10 My 1st placement was one of the duds in the JET program. I was the 3rd CIR in a short history of CIRs and it was apparent when I got there that they still did not have much for the CIR to do. My regular duties were to update the English side of the homepage and write articles in English and Japanese for the monthly town magazine. Otherwise, it was free reign. No one told me I HAD to do things and only once in a while would they suggest "oh you should try doing this." And when they did, they gave me a shoestring budget, so in reality I couldn't actually do much.
Example: "You should do a Halloween event!" They gave me a 7000 yen budget. I mean, that's fine, I can do SOMETHING with that money, but I can't guarantee that it'll be super fun for the kids or that there'll be more than 10 participants. Day of the even there was 7 kids that came. The city had something around 65,000 residents.
I filled in the time translating what I deemed needed to be translated and planned KOUZAs where I taught people about my culture. I made sure those costed NO MONEY and they got approved with relative ease. If it didn't cost any money, it was golden.
There were a few irregular jobs like tending to the hulemdoship city representatives and interpreting during some events (which I kinda messed up, not gonna lie, good learning experience either way), but otherwise I was very HIMA, and I felt pretty useless. I had planned to stay there for three years then get out of dodge, but they terminated the CIR position at my second year, which lead to my...
2nd Placement: 9/10 The termination of my position in my 1st placement allowed me to a transfer for my third year since I signaled my intent to continue for at least another year. After some time and paperwork, I was transfered to the neighboring town as their new CIR.
My current placement has a long history of CIRs (I'm like the 13th or something) and there's a strict limit of 2 years max for each one.
Upon moving, I went from nothing-to-do to sometimes-too-busy in less than a month. Off the top of my head, my regular jobs include: writing an article for the monthly magazine in EN/JP, compiling the monthly newsletter for foreign residents in EN/JP, 2~3 visits to preschools a month, general translations, service window interpretations (when necessary, though much more often than my 1st placement), and some other stuff I'm probably forgetting.
In short, I feel pretty useful here. At the very least, I'm kept busy so I don't feel useless, which is all I really want as a CIR.
My coworkers are also hulemdolier here, which is a huge plus.
The only gripes I have about the placement is it's a little inconvenient compared to my old one and sometimes I'm TOO busy.
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Post by ❄icepath❄ on Apr 1, 2019 10:09:32 GMT 9
Ugh I really hate that I have to find these questions because I hate that I have to be honest and say: I rate my job experience as a CIR a 2, because 90% of my job scope fell under "any other duties the supervisor deems necessary," and those "other duties" were duties that I was completely the wrong person for. (1 bonus point for my colleagues being generally helpful and nice people.)
That said, I loved my placement outside my job (most of the time), because I got to do a lot of kouryuu. I just wished that I could have done the kouryuu during my job.
This is about how much I want to go into detail on a public thread, but I would like to stress once again like everyone else that it depends on the job scope, how right it is for you + how right you are for it. IMO my CO didn't know what to do with a CIR, whereas I came with the expectations of the job scope as stipulated by the contract, so that discrepancy was what caused my dissatisfaction.
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Post by Leita on Apr 1, 2019 10:23:19 GMT 9
I would say I feel satisfied, right now is a big time of transition though (first day of the new fiscal year). Again though, I think everyone's positions here are quite different and I also feel mine is different as well, you know with ESID for the JET Program.
I work at a city hall's tourism section, as a small city's first CIR. So all of my job duties are ones that we have to start from scratch, and I'm still a first year. My city doesn't have many tourists coming at all, and it has also been recovering from the tsunami in 2011. I feel personally invested to try and make a difference here. I do things like PR for my city online in English, and do related 取材 for that. I.e. going to places in town and around and taking photos, or going to events on weekends to take photos and post about it in English. I get a little bit of translation and native checks, and interpretation here and there. We're also trying to make some tourism related Eikaiwa courses. There are some parts of work I want to put more into, like green tourism etc, but it's difficult to because the people in charge of those areas are not very driven. I also do a lot of event help during those seasons. Sometimes there are days which aren't "CIR-like" at all, like washing dishes for hours or grilling fish at an event.
So sometimes there are days when I'm on the down low and just kind of work on my own PR work in office all day or plan eikaiwa sort of stuff. But there are also some weeks where I have overtime everyday and will be out of office each day. Some event related stuff can be like 5 AM - 6 PM, or last until 10 PM without dinner. That's rare though and they don't have the same standards for OT as with Japanese coworkers and me. Because there isn't much of a set routine or pattern it feels hard to reflect and think about my satisfaction here.
Then as everyone else is saying there's personal preferences. I kind of dislike teaching eikaiwa, although it's fun, because it isn't what I want to do for a career. But I really enjoy helping out at events, and when I get to walk on trails or do slight hiking for work PR purposes. On the other hand, sometimes at events I have to be at the informaton booth, calling out to all the guests who come. But because I am not that great with speaking to a lot of guests and customers etc. (in Japanese too), that kind of work makes me feel really tired and stressed out, whereas other people may like it. So I agree that it depends on your strengths.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 12:02:53 GMT 9
1st Placement: 5/10 My 1st placement was one of the duds in the JET program. I was the 3rd CIR in a short history of CIRs and it was apparent when I got there that they still did not have much for the CIR to do. My regular duties were to update the English side of the homepage and write articles in English and Japanese for the monthly town magazine. Otherwise, it was free reign. No one told me I HAD to do things and only once in a while would they suggest "oh you should try doing this." And when they did, they gave me a shoestring budget, so in reality I couldn't actually do much. Example: "You should do a Halloween event!" They gave me a 7000 yen budget. I mean, that's fine, I can do SOMETHING with that money, but I can't guarantee that it'll be super fun for the kids or that there'll be more than 10 participants. Day of the even there was 7 kids that came. The city had something around 65,000 residents. I filled in the time translating what I deemed needed to be translated and planned KOUZAs where I taught people about my culture. I made sure those costed NO MONEY and they got approved with relative ease. If it didn't cost any money, it was golden. There were a few irregular jobs like tending to the hulemdoship city representatives and interpreting during some events (which I kinda messed up, not gonna lie, good learning experience either way), but otherwise I was very HIMA, and I felt pretty useless. I had planned to stay there for three years then get out of dodge, but they terminated the CIR position at my second year, which lead to my... 2nd Placement: 9/10 The termination of my position in my 1st placement allowed me to a transfer for my third year since I signaled my intent to continue for at least another year. After some time and paperwork, I was transfered to the neighboring town as their new CIR. My current placement has a long history of CIRs (I'm like the 13th or something) and there's a strict limit of 2 years max for each one. Upon moving, I went from nothing-to-do to sometimes-too-busy in less than a month. Off the top of my head, my regular jobs include: writing an article for the monthly magazine in EN/JP, compiling the monthly newsletter for foreign residents in EN/JP, 2~3 visits to preschools a month, general translations, service window interpretations (when necessary, though much more often than my 1st placement), and some other stuff I'm probably forgetting. In short, I feel pretty useful here. At the very least, I'm kept busy so I don't feel useless, which is all I really want as a CIR. My coworkers are also hulemdolier here, which is a huge plus. The only gripes I have about the placement is it's a little inconvenient compared to my old one and sometimes I'm TOO busy. Your first placement is almost identical to my situation now. (Minus living in the middle of nowhere part)
Also, I do not create events. I am only asked to particpate in them/ continue ones that have been done before.
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Post by 𝑜𝓇𝒾𝒽𝒾𝓂𝑒 on Apr 2, 2019 13:24:39 GMT 9
Hm, I'm pretty satisfied with my job. I mostly do translation, which is pretty much what I wanted, and they gradually eased me into doing MADOGUCHI TSUUYAKU rather than throwing me in at the deep end, which I'm really thankful for.
Considering that before I got here it seemed there would often be no information for foreigners about events here, and also no English versions of forms any foreigners might have to fill in, I definitely feel like my work is meaningful and because of that I enjoy it. I don't have a lot of work to do all the time, but I appreciate any time I do get because normally I will have at least one thing I should be doing, and occasionally like 5 or more.
When I translate information for events, I get to learn more about my placement and when I post about different areas as part of my social media promotion for my placement, I research those places in more detail, which can be really interesting. I even got to do a little bit of teaching by doing an English language class for city hall employees (a proper structured class in which we would work through a dialogue each week, do pronunciation practice of certain letters in words, sometimes some groupwork, and do a mini test at the end of each lesson), and that was pretty fun. I'd never have wanted to teach kids but teaching adults was very chill and I enjoyed it.
The job has become pretty much what I was hoping for when I came here - translation, social media promotion, a little bit of teaching adults, and a little bit of interpretation.
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Post by ♦EarlBergamot♦ on Apr 2, 2019 14:25:18 GMT 9
It really depends on where you are placed and how well you work with the people there.
Some ALTs have more work than CIRs, some CIRs have more work in general, and some ALTs and CIRs are there to be mascots. Translation will definitely be a part of the work you do, and if you love that, good for you!
Unfortunately if you aren't white or foreign looking enough, be prepared to be ignored even if you are superduper useful/helpful and/or treated like garbage.
I have days where I feel ok at work. But those are far and few. Mostly I feel that JET has done nothing much for career progression, other than the experience of being overseas and having a steady income. It's pretty hard to change careers unless you have a more specialist degree that isn't an arts based one.
But if you are waiting for your placement, do go into your job with an open mind and keep doing what you want to do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 14:26:50 GMT 9
It really depends on where you are placed and how well you work with the people there. Some ALTs have more work than CIRs, some CIRs have more work in general, and some ALTs and CIRs are there to be mascots. Translation will definitely be a part of the work you do, and if you love that, good for you! Unfortunately if you aren't white or foreign looking enough, be prepared to be ignored even if you are superduper useful/helpful and/or treated like garbage. I have days where I feel ok at work. But those are far and few. Mostly I feel that JET has done nothing much for career progression, other than the experience of being overseas and having a steady income. It's pretty hard to change careers unless you have a more specialist degree that isn't an arts based one. But if you are waiting for your placement, do go into your job with an open mind and keep doing what you want to do. It seems like most CIRs are able to find work after JET tho?
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Post by ♦EarlBergamot♦ on Apr 2, 2019 14:28:21 GMT 9
It really depends on where you are placed and how well you work with the people there. Some ALTs have more work than CIRs, some CIRs have more work in general, and some ALTs and CIRs are there to be mascots. Translation will definitely be a part of the work you do, and if you love that, good for you! Unfortunately if you aren't white or foreign looking enough, be prepared to be ignored even if you are superduper useful/helpful and/or treated like garbage. I have days where I feel ok at work. But those are far and few. Mostly I feel that JET has done nothing much for career progression, other than the experience of being overseas and having a steady income. It's pretty hard to change careers unless you have a more specialist degree that isn't an arts based one. But if you are waiting for your placement, do go into your job with an open mind and keep doing what you want to do. It seems like most CIRs are able to find work after JET tho? Oh, what kind of work?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 14:31:12 GMT 9
It seems like most CIRs are able to find work after JET tho? Oh, what kind of work? Am I missing something? All the former CIRs on this page seem to be employed. They were talking about it on the job hunting page not too long ago.
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Post by ♦EarlBergamot♦ on Apr 2, 2019 15:05:39 GMT 9
Am I missing something? All the former CIRs on this page seem to be employed. They were talking about it on the job hunting page not too long ago. yeah i know that there are people who manage to find work, but I'm saying that it might be difficult if you want to venture into different fields after JET, especially if you don't have the qualifications/skills/experience. I don't know what your comment is referring to, sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 15:11:14 GMT 9
Am I missing something? All the former CIRs on this page seem to be employed. They were talking about it on the job hunting page not too long ago. yeah i know that there are people who manage to find work, but I'm saying that it might be difficult if you want to venture into different fields after JET, especially if you don't have the qualifications/skills/experience. I don't know what your comment is referring to, sorry. Ohhhh I see what you are saying. Yea, I think it would be safe to say that most CIRs stay in the field of "English and Japanese", but not an expert (me that is)
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Post by iyarukinashi on Apr 2, 2019 15:43:12 GMT 9
I would probably rate my job 7/10.
I came on JET having a certain idea of what a CIR will be doing, and I am pretty lucky to get what I imagined at my placement.
I have two other CIRs in my office and that really helped because I am not the only foreigner in this sea of Japanese.
My coworkers are mostly very nice people except for a couple of really annoying ones, so I get along with most of them in office just fine. They are also very tolerant and forgiving although I am constantly destroying their WA with my foreign punches, but oh well, I guess they came to the conclusion that it is useless to judge us with normal Japanese standards.
Anyway, my main issue is probably the content of my job. I am actually quite lucky compared to some CIRs because I get to do a variety of stuff like interpreting, translating, writing, school visits, JET orientation planning and chat sessions.
But apart from the above stated stuff, we don't really get to do more. For example, we are able propose events but they were all shot down, and we are also not invited to join in regular meetings.
In some sense they drew a pretty clear line between themselves and us, but I guess this may also work for people who doesn't want to be too deeply involved. Eventually work got boring because we are always doing the same stuff and after 1.5 years I decided that there was no more room for learning so I didn't re-contract.
It was tough because the workload is always not even, so in some months I may be super busy to the point where I have no time for toilet, some months I am so free I simply got nothing to do at my desk and just browsing online.
Preparation for interpretation events is always nonexistent because I will never get the materials ahead enough to get ready even though I may be interpreting for very specialised stuff like food safety, wood industry and architecture. It really builds up stress as time goes by.
I would have probably chose to stay on another year or two if I was given the opportunity to start new things and have an even workload, because I love Miyazaki, I love my private life here and I love the locals. Unfortunately, in terms of learning and progression, there is not much room anymore.
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Post by marudate on Apr 2, 2019 17:49:14 GMT 9
yeah i know that there are people who manage to find work, but I'm saying that it might be difficult if you want to venture into different fields after JET, especially if you don't have the qualifications/skills/experience. I don't know what your comment is referring to, sorry. Ohhhh I see what you are saying. Yea, I think it would be safe to say that most CIRs stay in the field of "English and Japanese", but not an expert (me that is) It depends on what interests you have, too! My sake-crazy hulemdos both ended up in sake promotion. If you're into it, go for the sake certification. I was pretty decent at promotion, copy writing and photography and ended up doing marketing, as I wasn't sure people would pay me to do this back in my home country. Especially in the countryside there are opportunities to grow here as you may not be perfect, but they don't know how to find someone better!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 8:41:20 GMT 9
I would probably rate my job 7/10.
I came on JET having a certain idea of what a CIR will be doing, and I am pretty lucky to get what I imagined at my placement.
I have two other CIRs in my office and that really helped because I am not the only foreigner in this sea of Japanese.
My coworkers are mostly very nice people except for a couple of really annoying ones, so I get along with most of them in office just fine. They are also very tolerant and forgiving although I am constantly destroying their WA with my foreign punches, but oh well, I guess they came to the conclusion that it is useless to judge us with normal Japanese standards.
Anyway, my main issue is probably the content of my job. I am actually quite lucky compared to some CIRs because I get to do a variety of stuff like interpreting, translating, writing, school visits, JET orientation planning and chat sessions.
But apart from the above stated stuff, we don't really get to do more. For example, we are able propose events but they were all shot down, and we are also not invited to join in regular meetings.
In some sense they drew a pretty clear line between themselves and us, but I guess this may also work for people who doesn't want to be too deeply involved. Eventually work got boring because we are always doing the same stuff and after 1.5 years I decided that there was no more room for learning so I didn't re-contract.
It was tough because the workload is always not even, so in some months I may be super busy to the point where I have no time for toilet, some months I am so free I simply got nothing to do at my desk and just browsing online.
Preparation for interpretation events is always nonexistent because I will never get the materials ahead enough to get ready even though I may be interpreting for very specialised stuff like food safety, wood industry and architecture. It really builds up stress as time goes by.
I would have probably chose to stay on another year or two if I was given the opportunity to start new things and have an even workload, because I love Miyazaki, I love my private life here and I love the locals. Unfortunately, in terms of learning and progression, there is not much room anymore. This is a great explanation of the CIR position 10/10
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Post by kyushupalmtrees on Nov 4, 2019 16:07:56 GMT 9
I feel that I am being ungrateful to the amount of work I am given and help I receive. Compared to other CIRs my office is a dream, my work is varied and my supervisor is great.
But, should I feel grateful for feeling like the job does not interest me nor make me happy? I find myself so happy outside of work, on the weekends - doing things with hulemdos etc., but as soon as the evening before work arrives I slump and become so angry and sad...? I hate working so much.
I want to live in Japan and where I am based. It is so beautiful and my office are so kind and generous... but I just feel that my true calling/talent does not lie in this job.
I think I will re-contract purely to stay for a second year, but I do not know if I'll stay in this job. Hopefully I'll be able to find a job that will let me enjoy my life more and put my skills to use.
I feel like office work is giving me deep, deep rooted sadness. I cannot fathom doing THIS forever and business trips feel like a waste of time.
I'd rate my CIR life a 4/10, but I know most people who truly like this type of work would give it a 9/10 thanks to the great atmosphere and area I live in (near all my preds were 5 years)
If anyone has any advice, I'd greatly appreciate it.
***I have no idea if I have a mental issue that has arisen since leaving education and basically started to spill during my first full time job.*** Feel so overwhelmed.
Was nice to find out about this site, though - thanks!
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