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Post by snell_mouse on Feb 2, 2016 16:23:20 GMT 9
Hey, there didn't seem to be a general thread for elementary school visits so I made one!
My question this time is: does anybody know what 2nd graders are like? I've done many school visits but most are for 5th and 6th graders, occasionally 3rd or 4th graders, but never as young as 2nd grade. I know one year in elementary school can make a huge difference, so can anybody help me with what to expect?
They're like...7, right? Do 7-year-olds even understand the concept of different countries/languages? I feel like I should dumb down my normal presentation but I'm not sure to what extent.
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Post by Caic on Feb 2, 2016 16:32:41 GMT 9
Hey, there didn't seem to be a general thread for elementary school visits so I made one!
My question this time is: does anybody know what 2nd graders are like? I've done many school visits but most are for 5th and 6th graders, occasionally 3rd or 4th graders, but never as young as 2nd grade. I know one year in elementary school can make a huge difference, so can anybody help me with what to expect?
They're like...7, right? Do 7-year-olds even understand the concept of different countries/languages? I feel like I should dumb down my normal presentation but I'm not sure to what extent. ive done all the ages. Literally doing a whole school (of 18) next week. I'll see if i can muster up a helpful post in the next half hour but if not i will tomorrow. tired now
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Post by snell_mouse on Feb 2, 2016 16:36:38 GMT 9
よろしく~
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Post by CaptainSeery on Feb 2, 2016 17:13:40 GMT 9
Second grade is kind of tricky to define. Unlike first grade, they definitely (should) have the concept of different languages and countries, yes. I think they're about the last year that really gets excited no matter what you do with them. They tend to be talkative and excited. Third grade on tends to be a little more shy, I think. I think you should be mostly fine with what you did with third grade, just expect a lot of interruptions.
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Post by songbanana on Feb 3, 2016 9:41:41 GMT 9
Second grade was one of my favorites. If you're going at this point in the year they're pretty much like 3rd graders, but if you're going in the beginning of April they're like tame 1st graders. It really changes over the year so whichever it is, adjust accordingly... I agree with CaptainSeery that you should be fine with 3rd grade material with a few adjustments. - some 2nd graders still can't write very well (even hiragana/katakana) and only some of the juku kids know the alphabet. In 3rd grade they may learn romaji in typing class, but many 2nd graders can't read or write 外国文字. - can't use as many compound kanji words as you can for 5th and 6th graders. Even words like 人口->#人がいる. 3rd graders have a pretty solid basis built up, but 2nd graders can't understand those even in speech, and I've had to have HRTs explain my Japanese... - activities have to/can be really simple. 3rd graders can strategize and figure out how a game works in order to win, but 2nd graders often can't and will repeat the same actions over and over without making the connection (like always throwing rock, scissors, paper in that order no matter what, or asking for a card they don't have in Go Fish). But this is helpful in that you don't have to make activities more complex in order to entertain them. - 2nd graders are just starting to get the hang of time and distance, so the clever ones are fine, but the slower ones may not be able to tell you what happened yesterday vs. last weekend.
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Post by snell_mouse on Feb 3, 2016 9:45:56 GMT 9
Apparently they already know 英語の挨拶 (so the teacher said I don't have to bother with those), which was impressive to me.
But she also mentioned that I should tell them that we speak English in America because they probably don't know that, haha.
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Post by Caic on Feb 3, 2016 9:47:59 GMT 9
i was gonna write a thing but they have been more detailed than i could have been sooooo.... yeah.
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Post by snell_mouse on Feb 3, 2016 9:51:12 GMT 9
i was gonna write a thing but they have been more detailed than i could have been sooooo.... yeah. ..-.-'
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Post by CaptainSeery on Feb 3, 2016 10:08:57 GMT 9
Second grade was one of my favorites. If you're going at this point in the year they're pretty much like 3rd graders, but if you're going in the beginning of April they're like tame 1st graders. It really changes over the year so whichever it is, adjust accordingly... I agree with CaptainSeery that you should be fine with 3rd grade material with a few adjustments. - some 2nd graders still can't write very well (even hiragana/katakana) and only some of the juku kids know the alphabet. In 3rd grade they may learn romaji in typing class, but many 2nd graders can't read or write 外国文字. - can't use as many compound kanji words as you can for 5th and 6th graders. Even words like 人口->#人がいる. 3rd graders have a pretty solid basis built up, but 2nd graders can't understand those even in speech, and I've had to have HRTs explain my Japanese... - activities have to/can be really simple. 3rd graders can strategize and figure out how a game works in order to win, but 2nd graders often can't and will repeat the same actions over and over without making the connection (like always throwing rock, scissors, paper in that order no matter what, or asking for a card they don't have in Go Fish). But this is helpful in that you don't have to make activities more complex in order to entertain them. - 2nd graders are just starting to get the hang of time and distance, so the clever ones are fine, but the slower ones may not be able to tell you what happened yesterday vs. last weekend. I agree with everything you just said. Do keep things simple. I've also had my Japanese explained by HRTs, and any complicated rules for games will be too confusing. There's probably going to be a big gap in ability level. Kids who go to eikaiwa will be excited to show off what they know and may be shouting out random English words the entire time, while there will be other kids who will need coaching every time they say something in English, no matter how many times they've said it before.
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Post by snell_mouse on Feb 3, 2016 10:12:06 GMT 9
Well the focus is not English at all, just 文化 and they especially asked me to play some games with them, so I think maybe I'll try 4 Corners. I wonder how many of them can count to 10 in English...
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Post by CaptainSeery on Feb 3, 2016 11:39:51 GMT 9
Do your 文化 visits manage to stay just-文化 visits? I ask because I've never done a 文化 focus and in my experience HRTs sometimes try to push for more English when I'm doing a 文化 heavy lesson.
But in that case that should be good! I've played 4 Corners with success. If you do try to have them count in English... most of them can probably do it, as long as they go in order. But some might get stuck.
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Post by songbanana on Feb 3, 2016 11:42:19 GMT 9
I've done 4 corners with success too. In my experience, usually 2nd graders can count to 10 and would be more than happy to do so at the top of their lungs. Like seery said, they might not be able to count down from 10, and some may struggle with out of order numbers or identifying individual numbers or going over 10. I played spud in the gym and that was difficult...
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Post by snell_mouse on Feb 3, 2016 14:20:38 GMT 9
Hmm well I'm usually only invited for when they want people to come share about their culture, so the focus is normally not English, actually.
4 Corners has been a success every time so I think I will definitely play that. Or maybe have them do Duck Duck Goose a couple of times too.
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Post by Caic on Feb 8, 2016 13:56:28 GMT 9
what age are 6nensei again? like 11? Would you say by 11 kids are already above receiving SIILU?
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Post by CaptainSeery on Feb 8, 2016 14:42:10 GMT 9
Noooo. Kids of any age are happy to recieve SIILU. My JHS 3nensei loved them (as long as they had good designs).
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Post by Caic on Feb 8, 2016 14:44:10 GMT 9
Noooo. Kids of any age are happy to recieve SIILU. My JHS 3nensei loved them (as long as they had good designs). My SIILU are just shamrock SIILU but thank you this is helpful. might hand out some SIILU tomorrow
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Post by CaptainSeery on Feb 8, 2016 15:12:45 GMT 9
My kids like 四葉 so I think shamrock ones will be all good.
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Post by hikaru on Jul 4, 2016 16:32:54 GMT 9
Anybody ever had any luck with certain songs/絵本 for 1st through 3rd graders? Are they above 手遊び by that age?
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Post by songbanana on Jul 4, 2016 16:34:33 GMT 9
In my experience harder 手遊び (like not patty-cake level, more red-hands-like competition or complex songs) are super 流行っている in that age group!
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Post by CaptainSeery on Jul 4, 2016 16:37:19 GMT 9
I agree! Definitely not over it.
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Post by hikaru on Jul 4, 2016 16:40:18 GMT 9
In my experience harder 手遊び (like not patty-cake level, more red-hands-like competition or complex songs) are super 流行っている in that age group! awesome! that's a relief.
although I don't know what red-hands is? >_< Or really any 手遊び that's not on the patty-cake or "if you're happy and you know it" level, so if you could point me in the direction of some good ones I would be very ARIGATAI
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Post by CaptainSeery on Jul 4, 2016 16:50:15 GMT 9
Red hands is that game where one person puts their hands out palm-up, and the other person puts their hands over them palm-down. The palm-up person tries to smack their hands and trick them into pulling away.
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Post by snell_mouse on Jul 4, 2016 16:57:16 GMT 9
Does hot potato have a song? I could see kids having fun with that.
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Post by CaptainSeery on Jul 4, 2016 17:05:01 GMT 9
Does hot potato have a song? I could see kids having fun with that. I've done it with pausing the music musical chairs-style, rather than to a specific song.
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Post by songbanana on Jul 5, 2016 9:41:34 GMT 9
In my experience harder 手遊び (like not patty-cake level, more red-hands-like competition or complex songs) are super 流行っている in that age group! awesome! that's a relief.
although I don't know what red-hands is? >_< Or really any 手遊び that's not on the patty-cake or "if you're happy and you know it" level, so if you could point me in the direction of some good ones I would be very ARIGATAI
what capt seery said! I recommend you do NOT introduce red hands unless you want to be in a lot of pain. The children improved a lot more quickly than I thought and it was no longer fun for me. But it was a really great no-English way of bonding with younger students. 1. Crocodilly oh my ( video) This one is quite long but you could modify it to make a really fun group activity (probably less fun for huge groups though). The nonsense words could be replaced with English words or phrases you want them to remember, and just keep the counting 1-10 at the end. You'd have to scaffold this so the kids could understand it without it feeling too difficult. Looks like the teacher in the video put stickers on the preschoolers' hands to show them which hand goes on top. You could have them go around a few times so they get the hang of the motion and then make it a race to see how fast they can go around. Then teach the song so you're not singing it alone. When you count to 10, if the person hits the other's hand they win, if not, they lose--you could eliminate the loser and make the circle smaller (or make them do a silly dance or say something in English) or give a sticker to the winner. 2. Miss Mary Mack ( link) This is the sister rhyme to Miss Lucy/ Miss Susie but much cleaner. The words are a bit hard for 1-3rd graders but with some practice you could get them to say the ones you repeat (black, back, mother, high, sky, etc.). I learned the first version of movements listed. You can make it more difficult by clapping your own hands together in between Macks. This motion might be a bit difficult for 1st graders or large classes where you can't correct everyone individually so you could simplify the motion by just doing the repetition ("Mack") part and building up to the full thing when they get it. 3. Make a stew ( lyrics)( video) We sang this for Shabbat at the preschool I worked at, but you could obviously change the words. We sang it a bit different than the video, just to the regular tune of London Bridge. Our motions were, mime putting the thing in the pot (we always started with chicken), mime stirring a big pot, then we did a roll motion for "getting ready". Then you ask the next child in the circle what they want to put in, and put that in the pot. I actually remember playing this when I was in preschool as a "witches brew" game, where we split into good guys and villains and the good guys would put in apples, potatoes, food and the villains would put in spiders and poison. Kids always get super into it, probably 3rd grade is the border of highest age I would go. 4. Concentration ( 2 person version) ( group number version) This is basically a "say something to the rhythm and don't trip up" game with many variations. There's a similar game on Englipedia somewhere. Basically you can have them say something from a category or number someone in the group. This can be very difficult for younger kids so for the 1st graders you could have everyone clap/motion and say "My name is" or "What's your name" and the individual can answer. For older kids it could be a good vocab review but the pressure of having to say something can lead to tears for some if they get "out" :( For fun: The hardest one I know is Winston ( link) which I learned about twice the speed of this video and with slightly different motions/lyrics.
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Post by hikaru on Jul 6, 2016 16:52:01 GMT 9
man I don't know any of these I'm gonna have to do some hardcore kid song BENKYOU
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Post by shanshan310 on Sept 5, 2016 10:31:21 GMT 9
Hey I've been asked to run some hour long after school 英会話 classes for a group of 小学校 1年生ー6年生. I started planning it out as a bunch of English based games, songs etc but I've just received more information. The centre wants the classes to be half games and half actual 英会話. I'm not used to working with children and I have no idea how to go about this. What is actual 英会話 for young kids? I assume they'd all be at quite different levels. Any ideas for things to do?
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Post by momo black on Sept 5, 2016 11:03:35 GMT 9
I briefly did a part time job at an English juku which was aimed at kids about that age (and younger, even...). For eikaiwa we did really basic stuff for the younger kids, like favorite colors, names of places in town, foods you like, etc. For the slightly older kids we tried slightly more complicated sentences like "What ___ do you like?" (sport, animal, yuru kyara, etc.), and we also tried introducing some verbs. Keeping it sort of fun even when it's not games was definitely a goal.
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Post by Caic on Sept 5, 2016 11:04:54 GMT 9
Hey I've been asked to run some hour long after school 英会話 classes for a group of 小学校 1年生ー6年生. I started planning it out as a bunch of English based games, songs etc but I've just received more information. The centre wants the classes to be half games and half actual 英会話. I'm not used to working with children and I have no idea how to go about this. What is actual 英会話 for young kids? I assume they'd all be at quite different levels. Any ideas for things to do? it will be all of 1nensei to 6nensei all at once??? or separately? this sounds like a case of japanese person just being like "pls do eikaiwa" while not thinking about it at all or what that actually involves.
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Post by shanshan310 on Sept 5, 2016 13:09:12 GMT 9
I briefly did a part time job at an English juku which was aimed at kids about that age (and younger, even...). For eikaiwa we did really basic stuff for the younger kids, like favorite colors, names of places in town, foods you like, etc. For the slightly older kids we tried slightly more complicated sentences like "What ___ do you like?" (sport, animal, yuru kyara, etc.), and we also tried introducing some verbs. Keeping it sort of fun even when it's not games was definitely a goal. Thanks! How did you try to keep it interesting, if I may ask? And Caic, yeah it'll be all of them at once. Not sure how to jungle them because I feel like games / activities for one half will probably be less appropriate / fun for the other half.
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