|
Post by Marta on Oct 4, 2016 16:19:46 GMT 9
Oh dear. Oh dear. OH DEAR. Phew. I felt stressed reading that. I have noticed a trend from teachers thinking that their students won't get it or it is too hard (i.e. when teaching English or whatever) and especially with freely thinking and coming up with their own ideas - but that is something that needs to be nurtured and encouraged at these ages (since they are so used to teacher-fronted lessons). I'm glad the personal teacher came up to thank you. It is awesome. I think teachers sometimes shelter their students a little bit too much (or assume that because a kid is having trouble dividing or figuring out fractions, that they won't be able to figure out societal problems in an abstract form). Yeah, I think the teachers (particularly the guy who criticized me) heavily underestimated the capability of these kids. I also think the students appreciated being able to voice their own opinions. We talked a lot about some parts of classes are hard, but we worked together on finding a method that might benefit them the most, which got a lot of nyaruhodos and "そうだね"s. I'm also glad that teacher talked to me. She made me feel so much better after the first guy shot me down. I can at least make it through the day without thinking this was a failure.
|
|
|
Post by King Quailbee on Oct 4, 2016 16:21:11 GMT 9
Yeah, and bro, the teacher who requested you failed to mention something as important as that - so he's probably one of those types who likes to blame others for areas they fucked up in.
UGH.
|
|
|
Post by Marta on Oct 4, 2016 16:23:40 GMT 9
Yeah, and bro, the teacher who requested you failed to mention something as important as that - so he's probably one of those types who likes to blame others for areas they ふcked up in. UGH. I know TwT. I don't want to judge this guy, since I've only met him today, but he could at least acknowledge that despite the circumstances I did alright.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 16:24:45 GMT 9
Okay wow OTSUKARESAN x1000000 for you. Um yeah I would also talk to your soup (and/or whoever goes through the school visit requests) about the surprise thing because you NEED to know your demographic and it could help to have other people in your office who are involved in the process on your side to squeeze out that info. I think this was an important opportunity for the students, teachers, and yourself alike to learn what students with disabilities are capable of. Obviously the high school level aspect complicated it - and would have done so even with neurotypical middle school students - but it sounds like they were perfectly capable of contributing, asking questions, being creative, etc. and I'm sure they face a lot of people who assume they can't do any of those things. So it sounds like a super やりがいが高い experience even if it was frustrating. <3 Thanks for the support! Next time I'm going to specifically ask the teacher over the phone who my audience is so I can prepare accordingly. Now that I've had time to cool off I'm really glad with how excited the kids seemed, but still a little miffed at the teacher who thought my lesson was too hard (because that's 当たり前, especially when I told you ahead of time I prepared for high school). Overall, class was good, comments were ridiculous, so feelings are eh..? From now on you might consider explicitly asking about disabilities, hue. (^^;
I wonder if the teacher thought you would back out of it if you knew the students had learning disabilities? :/
|
|
|
Post by Marta on Oct 4, 2016 16:28:22 GMT 9
Wow! That's so crazy that the school didn't tell you super important details like that. Be very very firm about such things in the future! But I'm glad it turned out well in the end. I never worked closely with the nakayoshi kids at my schools, but when I did they were always really excited and happy to be learning. It gave me a real appreciation for them, and also helped me really understand the importance of having separate classes for them. It's good to have them mingle with everyone else for some classes, but for the more academic ones they are going to get a lot more out of a small class that is tailored to them. I had some kids who really should have been in the nakayoshi class and they suffered so much for it. One girl in particular, her older brother was nakayoshi and apparently he got bullied for it, so the mother refused to let her go into the nakayoshi class. But then she was bullied and ignored in the main class because she couldn't keep up. She did really well if she got one-on-one instruction, but in a class with 35 kids that was impossible for us to do most of the time. It was so sad cause she really tried her hardest and obviously liked English. Sorry, that rant got off topic. TL;DR kids with special needs are super smart and great and lovely to work with, and I'm glad that you were able to make it work for them, despite a gross lack of communication. I thought the kids were really adorable and fun to work with, albeit being nervous and shy. It was once I started praising them for coming up with ideas that their やる気 started to escalate and they enjoyed coming up with ideas more. It's also true that they're really smart, and I feel like they don't need to be babied or have concepts hidden from them as much as these teachers were making it seem like. Honestly, I like working with all of the kids I do on my school visits, and I definitely love giving them the chance to express their thoughts without judgment or dumbing things down, because they tend to go above and beyond with their thoughts if you let them.
|
|
|
Post by Marta on Oct 4, 2016 16:31:32 GMT 9
From now on you might consider explicitly asking about disabilities, hue. (^^;
I wonder if the teacher thought you would back out of it if you knew the students had learning disabilities? :/
I honestly don't know what he was thinking. This visit is arranged yearly, and our CIRs switch off with who does it each year. Last year our Russian went, but they wanted me to go (I had another visit on that day), so I for sure came this year. However, the Russian CIR never mentioned what had happened during his visit, nor did he say anything felt out of place. I should've asked, but, hindsight 20/20, blah blah XD.
|
|
|
Post by Caic on Oct 4, 2016 16:36:22 GMT 9
From now on you might consider explicitly asking about disabilities, hue. (^^;
I wonder if the teacher thought you would back out of it if you knew the students had learning disabilities? :/
I honestly don't know what he was thinking. This visit is arranged yearly, and our CIRs switch off with who does it each year. Last year our Russian went, but they wanted me to go (I had another visit on that day), so I for sure came this year. However, the Russian CIR never mentioned what had happened during his visit, nor did he say anything felt out of place. I should've asked, but, hindsight 20/20, blah blah XD. do you not do UTIAWASE for your school visits? we do for all of our HAKEN just so we can sit down with them and ask them all the things we need, iron out all the details etc
|
|
|
Post by Marta on Oct 4, 2016 16:38:34 GMT 9
I honestly don't know what he was thinking. This visit is arranged yearly, and our CIRs switch off with who does it each year. Last year our Russian went, but they wanted me to go (I had another visit on that day), so I for sure came this year. However, the Russian CIR never mentioned what had happened during his visit, nor did he say anything felt out of place. I should've asked, but, hindsight 20/20, blah blah XD. do you not do UTIAWASE for your school visits? we do for all of our HAKEN just so we can sit down with them and ask them all the things we need, iron out all the details etc You know, we used to? Idk why it suddenly stopped once I became a second year. When I first got here teachers came left and right to iron stuff out with me, now they just send a request form and I have to phone in for the rest (literally, but I wrote this for the pun...).
|
|
|
Post by CaptainSeery on Oct 4, 2016 16:53:41 GMT 9
Maybe they assumed that since this was a thing that happens every year, that you would know what to expect.
Just goes to show what they say about assuming.
But yeah, it sounds like it's 100% the fault of that guy who sounds like a grump anyway. I would rather trust the word of the other teachers, who probably work with these kids on a much closer level. They are the ones who would know how they usually react in class and were able to see how positively they reacted, and are the ones who know how to challenge them in a way that works for them. Assuming they're good teachers. I've encountered some very much not good 特別支援 teachers too...
|
|
|
Post by Marta on Oct 4, 2016 17:11:38 GMT 9
Maybe they assumed that since this was a thing that happens every year, that you would know what to expect. Just goes to show what they say about assuming. But yeah, it sounds like it's 100% the fault of that guy who sounds like a grump anyway. I would rather trust the word of the other teachers, who probably work with these kids on a much closer level. They are the ones who would know how they usually react in class and were able to see how positively they reacted, and are the ones who know how to challenge them in a way that works for them. Assuming they're good teachers. I've encountered some very much not good 特別支援 teachers too... I think this group of teachers were a fair bunch, and even critical guy wasn't grumpy, so much as that kind of 丁寧 underlying sassy with me, so I'm mostly taking his remark with a grain of salt. Thanks so much for listening to me, by the way, everyone ^w^. I just really needed to get this one off my chest. Now for スタバ studying again tonight and the new menu is out, so I'm 100/10 excited
|
|
|
Post by CaptainSeery on Dec 15, 2016 9:24:14 GMT 9
Hi guys!
Has anyone done a visit to a 定時制 high school class?
I've been asked to do a "国際理解を深める異文化体験交流" event with the local hanami timesei class. (hanami timesei is part-time high school, done in the evenings and taking 4 years instead of 3. Most of the students are people who struggle in normal classes are are working during the day, but I've also heard of older people in these classes as well.)
I don't know what the make up of this particular class is, but I've been asked to do アメリカの紹介 and ご経験 (I think about being in America?). Topics that came up during uchiawase were 出身紹介、学校生活、男女関係、恋愛、仕事、交通 etc.
I think I can make an intersting enough presentation with that. What I'm more concerned about is that they mentioned doing a game or activity, but warned me that in previous years the kids were not very responsive to it (and in general warned me that they might be sleeping or on their phones while I do the presentation.) Last year the speaker (an ALT) tried to do a true/false game where the students had to move to one side of the class or the other if they thought a question was true or false. Even something as simple as that failed, apparently. They recommended something they can do quietly at their desks, alone or in pairs. I'm having trouble thinking of anything that might be successful.
Does anyone have experience doing a 学校訪問 to a very low academic and low motivation class?
|
|
|
Post by Caic on Dec 15, 2016 9:29:22 GMT 9
G-Rexhow did yesterday go
|
|
Mumblesnore
Dead Stargod
’Tis the season (for Eggnog)
Posts: 16,153
CIR Experience: Former CIR
Location: Tokyo
|
Post by Mumblesnore on Dec 15, 2016 10:26:35 GMT 9
Hi guys! Has anyone done a visit to a 定時制 high school class? I've been asked to do a "国際理解を深める異文化体験交流" event with the local hanami timesei class. (hanami timesei is part-time high school, done in the evenings and taking 4 years instead of 3. Most of the students are people who struggle in normal classes are are working during the day, but I've also heard of older people in these classes as well.) I don't know what the make up of this particular class is, but I've been asked to do アメリカの紹介 and ご経験 (I think about being in America?). Topics that came up during uchiawase were 出身紹介、学校生活、男女関係、恋愛、仕事、交通 etc. I think I can make an intersting enough presentation with that. What I'm more concerned about is that they mentioned doing a game or activity, but warned me that in previous years the kids were not very responsive to it (and in general warned me that they might be sleeping or on their phones while I do the presentation.) Last year the speaker (an ALT) tried to do a true/false game where the students had to move to one side of the class or the other if they thought a question was true or false. Even something as simple as that failed, apparently. They recommended something they can do quietly at their desks, alone or in pairs. I'm having trouble thinking of anything that might be successful. Does anyone have experience doing a 学校訪問 to a very low academic and low motivation class? Just thinking about stuff like this gives me anxiety and is why I'm so glad I'm not an ALT
|
|
|
Post by CaptainSeery on Dec 15, 2016 10:55:33 GMT 9
I asked the high school ALT about it and he said that apparently when he did it the event worked all right, but he also thought that was because they'd already had a year to get to know them. He thinks nothing will go well, just cause they don't know me. Which is understandable, but.... not very encouraging.
|
|
|
Post by momo black on Jan 18, 2017 15:24:07 GMT 9
I got a request for a special needs high school, and they asked me to talk about American 伝統行事. I asked if they could give a little more info on what they were thinking of, and they said, "Like Japanese 盆踊り. If you could dance something yourself, that would be especially great."
Can anyone help me think of stuff which would fit for this? The only "traditional American dance" kind of things I can think of have very strong country music/American South associations, and I'm about as far from there as you can get, so I would feel very inadequate/dishonest "teaching" that sort of thing.
|
|
|
Post by Hokuto on Jan 18, 2017 15:31:44 GMT 9
Hip-hop is American, but it's not very 伝統 and i have a feeling the school wouldn't appreciate it.
besides that all i can think of is square-dancing or other southern stuff
|
|
|
Post by no yark shark on Jan 18, 2017 15:32:02 GMT 9
teach them the traditional American Christmas dance, the cha-cha slide.
or square dancing. I don't think square dancing is just a southern thing.
|
|
|
Post by Hokuto on Jan 18, 2017 15:33:17 GMT 9
OH momo black how 伝統 does it need to be? because you could just teach some line dances, and they're super easy so it'd work like the cha-cha slide, the electric slide, the cupid shuffle, the wobble, that one that people do to Cotton-Eyed Joe would any of those work? tbh i'm sure there are even older line dances and i'm just forgetting them right now
|
|
|
Post by momo black on Jan 18, 2017 15:57:23 GMT 9
Thanks no yark shark and Hokuto !! I was considering square dancing but it's more involved than I think I could feasibly prepare in time I'll brush up on my Cotton Eye Joe dancing (―д―)
|
|
|
Post by King Quailbee on Jan 20, 2017 14:28:23 GMT 9
momo blackI taught square dancing to 1-4th graders here and it worked out, mainly due to the help of this one guy: www.mrgym.com/DanceandRythmic/SquareDance.htmInstead of just saying the words like "Circle" because I don't know if they heard me or not, I also made big pieces of paper that would say it and I would flash it up so they knew when to change formation. You can just teach them these four steps (Circle, Do-Si-Do, Swing, Promenade) and they will have fun. I also did a whole other school visit teaching a variety of dance moves. Kids really loved Cotton Eyed Joe, haha. If you look up the Evolution of Dance video from youtube, there is a whole list of all of the dances/songs done and you can pick and choose what you feel comfortable with.
|
|
|
Post by momo black on Jan 20, 2017 14:45:56 GMT 9
Ahh thanks so much!!
|
|
Nurkiras
Dead Stargod
Nawty Bard
ycdn
Posts: 8,401
|
Post by Nurkiras on Jun 1, 2017 9:14:43 GMT 9
(technically for a Junior High school visit but whatever)
I am in the somewhat rare position of having to teach Australian English as an American; I want to just present some common slang and want to make sure these are actually used/ common...
Arvo Whinge Aussie Mate Oi! Maccas Ace Reckon Thongs Uni
thanks and YOLOSYIK
|
|
|
Post by nikinee on Jun 1, 2017 9:22:41 GMT 9
Yeah, those sound about right
Please teaching your students about traditional Australian Maccas Run BUMKA
I want to say you should teach them ceebs (can't be bothered) but that's only really a thing in certain areas lmao
|
|
Mumblesnore
Dead Stargod
’Tis the season (for Eggnog)
Posts: 16,153
CIR Experience: Former CIR
Location: Tokyo
|
Post by Mumblesnore on Jun 1, 2017 9:24:31 GMT 9
I didn't know whinge was an Australian thing, but now that you mention it I guess I've only heard Australian people say it...
|
|
Mumblesnore
Dead Stargod
’Tis the season (for Eggnog)
Posts: 16,153
CIR Experience: Former CIR
Location: Tokyo
|
Post by Mumblesnore on Jun 1, 2017 9:32:33 GMT 9
Don't forget "bogan"
(which I learned from Summer Heights High. Do people still say that?)
|
|
|
Post by nikinee on Jun 1, 2017 9:37:30 GMT 9
Lmao yes
Australia without bogans is... not Australia
Trying to think of more examples, but they're all wildly inappropriate for a school lesson lmao
|
|
Nurkiras
Dead Stargod
Nawty Bard
ycdn
Posts: 8,401
|
Post by Nurkiras on Jun 1, 2017 10:31:19 GMT 9
Thank you nikinee!! yeah i had other examples but they are a tad inappropriate (my main source is my foulmouthed Aussie hulemdo) hot as bogan fanny pissed slab
|
|
Mumblesnore
Dead Stargod
’Tis the season (for Eggnog)
Posts: 16,153
CIR Experience: Former CIR
Location: Tokyo
|
Post by Mumblesnore on Jun 1, 2017 10:32:30 GMT 9
Thank you nikinee !! yeah i had other examples but they are a tad inappropriate (my main source is my foulmouthed Aussie hulemdo) hot asbogan fanny pissed slab as far as I understand it, you can put "as" after any any adjective, not just "hot." "That party last night was fun as." nikinee correct me if I'm wrong.
|
|
|
Post by nikinee on Jun 1, 2017 10:34:35 GMT 9
|
|
Nurkiras
Dead Stargod
Nawty Bard
ycdn
Posts: 8,401
|
Post by Nurkiras on Jun 1, 2017 10:35:04 GMT 9
yes, but it sort implies "...as hell" or "...as fuck" I believe?
|
|