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Post by ♦EarlBergamot♦ on Jan 23, 2019 16:32:32 GMT 9
My Japanese interviewer was really nice so I don't think she would have mentioned it, but I turned my article around towards her right before handing it over because I remembered advice from the forums. If not for you guys I probably wouldn't have remembered and given it to her facing the wrong direction yeah the japanese lady i had for my interview was really nice. she was probably the most smiley out of everyone who were probably just tired from hearing us all day long...
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Post by ❄icepath❄ on Jan 23, 2019 17:17:11 GMT 9
My Japanese interviewer was really nice so I don't think she would have mentioned it, but I turned my article around towards her right before handing it over because I remembered advice from the forums. If not for you guys I probably wouldn't have remembered and given it to her facing the wrong direction yeah the japanese lady i had for my interview was really nice. she was probably the most smiley out of everyone who were probably just tired from hearing us all day long... WHAT JAPANESE LADY? Do you mean the japanese lady who was just silent throughout??
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Post by 𝑜𝓇𝒾𝒽𝒾𝓂𝑒 on Jan 23, 2019 20:11:40 GMT 9
@kinbenkun hmm, it makes me remember the nervousness and how not-fluent my responses etc were...but that makes me realise how far I've come and how much I've improved ^^ (ah, I was an alternate too!~)
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kulido
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Post by kulido on Jan 24, 2019 1:14:40 GMT 9
Any CIRs from New York? I've been lurking in the forums for the past few weeks now and I was wondering if anyone from previous years could tell me how their experience with their interviews has been!
Looking through the reddit page has made me feel like my Japanese ability is なんか足りない (何というか has become like my go-to phrase) and I get that it's mostly irrational but I can't really shake it.. 一生懸命頑張るけどねー
I'd appreciate any advice or any words of encouragement -- now let's give it our all!!
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Post by acouplefruits on Jan 24, 2019 8:50:35 GMT 9
Just found out I passed N2, which definitely acts as a confidence boost before the interview Did you guys use keigo in your interview, or did you stick with regular 丁寧語 ??
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Post by ♦EarlBergamot♦ on Jan 24, 2019 9:34:03 GMT 9
yeah the japanese lady i had for my interview was really nice. she was probably the most smiley out of everyone who were probably just tired from hearing us all day long... WHAT JAPANESE LADY? Do you mean the japanese lady who was just silent throughout?? she talked during my interview. cuz i talked to her the most
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Post by 𝑜𝓇𝒾𝒽𝒾𝓂𝑒 on Jan 24, 2019 9:42:51 GMT 9
kulido I'm not from New York, but I was worried that my Japanese ability wasn't good enough when I had my interview as well 'cause my Japanese level had really decreased since my year abroad, and I didn't have JLPT N2, but I managed to get through it okay, and although I didn't get straight through I did get put as a reserve and I ended up going to Japan that same year, so GANBARE!~ you can only do your best ^^ if you try looking at your statement of purpose and think of questions they might ask you about it, then practice how to talk about those things in Japanese, I think that would help =3 acouplefruits congrats on passing!~ I didn't use keigo in my interview, because I reasoned that in my case it was better to use normal polite form correctly than try too hard and end up using keigo wrong, but I didn't have any confidence in my keigo so if you feel much more comfortable with it, it can't hurt to use it I guess?
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Post by ❄icepath❄ on Jan 24, 2019 9:49:47 GMT 9
WHAT JAPANESE LADY? Do you mean the japanese lady who was just silent throughout?? she talked during my interview. cuz i talked to her the most Usooooo the Japanese lady was just sitting next to the Japanese guy who interviewed me in Japanese and she didn't speak a single word throughout my interview.......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 10:19:08 GMT 9
𝑜𝓇𝒾𝒽𝒾𝓂𝑒 kulidoIt is strange considering that I had JLPT N1, yet still was wait listed. I thought the Japanese part went flawlessly (except for one hiccup). After talking to CLAIR people during group C orientation (I was the only CIR at that orientation) they pretty much told me that there are sometimes too many 合格者 and not enough 求人 and sometimes that happens.
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Post by Aya Raincoat on Jan 24, 2019 11:03:14 GMT 9
Your level of Japanese is not the only thing they look at, so don't worry too much about it. I'm terrible at keigo, so I did not use it well during my interviews. I applied 4 times, and had my N1 for a few of my interviews. I was waitlisted all 4 times... There really are only so many positions, so it's good to think that you passed but they couldn't place you.
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Post by ♦EarlBergamot♦ on Jan 24, 2019 11:31:57 GMT 9
she talked during my interview. cuz i talked to her the most Usooooo the Japanese lady was just sitting next to the Japanese guy who interviewed me in Japanese and she didn't speak a single word throughout my interview....... maybe she didnt want to talk to you HAHHAHA. i was pretty much staring at her using eye power to will her to talk to me
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Post by ❄icepath❄ on Jan 24, 2019 11:33:54 GMT 9
Usooooo the Japanese lady was just sitting next to the Japanese guy who interviewed me in Japanese and she didn't speak a single word throughout my interview....... maybe she didnt want to talk to you HAHHAHA. i was pretty much staring at her using eye power to will her to talk to me She was also seated the furthest from me so... Also you mean. Watakushi. Kokoro kizutsuita. *Dramatic fall*
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kulido
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Post by kulido on Jan 24, 2019 23:42:21 GMT 9
𝑜𝓇𝒾𝒽𝒾𝓂𝑒 Thanks for the advice!! I'll think up some questions from my SoP and try monologuing @kinbenkun gahh I guess there are those situations too, huh... Welp, ganbaru shika nai naaa
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Post by taengoo on Jan 25, 2019 8:08:53 GMT 9
Hi guys! I'm a prospective CIR applicant with an interview next week. I am crazy nervous and honestly have been losing so much sleep from it. My biggest fear is from the Japanese portion of the interview... I'm not super great with kanji (I know a lot of kanji that is used in daily conversations, etc. and can sometimes understand the meanings by reading it but don't know the pronunciation) so I'm scared I might be on the chopping block for that. I'm confident in my speaking and listening skills though, so hopefully I can get some points in there. Any CIRs have anymore "I thought I failed, but I didn't" stories?
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Post by Leilo on Jan 25, 2019 8:52:30 GMT 9
Hi guys! I'm a prospective CIR applicant with an interview next week. I am crazy nervous and honestly have been losing so much sleep from it. My biggest fear is from the Japanese portion of the interview... I'm not super great with kanji (I know a lot of kanji that is used in daily conversations, etc. and can sometimes understand the meanings by reading it but don't know the pronunciation) so I'm scared I might be on the chopping block for that. I'm confident in my speaking and listening skills though, so hopefully I can get some points in there. Any CIRs have anymore "I thought I failed, but I didn't" stories? Roughly the first half of the article from my interview had furigana on it, so you might not need to worry too much. Another point about not being able to read the kanji is, it depends on your interviewer if they will tell you the kanji reading when you're stuck or not. I heard from CIRs that their interviewer said the kanji reading out loud when they couldn't say it, so I thought mine would too. I recall kind of waiting for her to say it when I got stumped but she didn't say anything, so I realized she just wasn't going to tell me any readings and just skipped reading a couple kanji I couldn't say after that.
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Post by Aya Raincoat on Jan 25, 2019 9:24:56 GMT 9
During one of my interviews, they agreed to let me read the text in my head first before reading it out loud. Sometimes, with the context, you'll know the word and figure the reading this way. They didn't always let me do that though. I think last time, I couldn't read the SHI in MEISHI, because it's also SASU and it was really confusing, haha
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Post by Ham on Jan 25, 2019 10:26:44 GMT 9
Also, consider this: how you respond to the situation of not knowing a kanji is probably also part of the interview. It's not about determining who has maximal qualifications, it's about sussing out how you'll do in the environment you'll be placed in.
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Post by wapiko on Jan 25, 2019 11:44:53 GMT 9
Hi guys! I'm a prospective CIR applicant with an interview next week. I am crazy nervous and honestly have been losing so much sleep from it. My biggest fear is from the Japanese portion of the interview... I'm not super great with kanji (I know a lot of kanji that is used in daily conversations, etc. and can sometimes understand the meanings by reading it but don't know the pronunciation) so I'm scared I might be on the chopping block for that. I'm confident in my speaking and listening skills though, so hopefully I can get some points in there. Any CIRs have anymore "I thought I failed, but I didn't" stories? Oh hey you messaged me on reddit Glad to see you here!!
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Post by Dee on Jan 25, 2019 14:18:15 GMT 9
Hi guys! I'm a prospective CIR applicant with an interview next week. I am crazy nervous and honestly have been losing so much sleep from it. My biggest fear is from the Japanese portion of the interview... I'm not super great with kanji (I know a lot of kanji that is used in daily conversations, etc. and can sometimes understand the meanings by reading it but don't know the pronunciation) so I'm scared I might be on the chopping block for that. I'm confident in my speaking and listening skills though, so hopefully I can get some points in there. Any CIRs have anymore "I thought I failed, but I didn't" stories? There were a few kanji/words that I couldn't read in my article. I was up front about it and just said I didn't know the pronunciation, and my interviewer read it for me. I think the main thing is to be able to understand the majority of what they will have you read so you can answer some questions about it. No biggie if you don't understand every single word. Do your best to be confident and I'm sure you'll be ok!
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Post by ことしも魚ろしく on Jan 25, 2019 14:18:45 GMT 9
i think its important to note that theyll be looking at your GENKIness as well! youre going to be a cultural AMBASSADOR - theyll wanna make sure you give off good vibes and get along with people! be conscious of japanese values too - proper AISATSU is important! speak HAKIHAKI! dont be DARASHINAI! it's more than just the japanese portion!
pretty much, dont forget about the E (exchange, in case you dont know) in JET!
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Post by 𝑜𝓇𝒾𝒽𝒾𝓂𝑒 on Jan 25, 2019 15:09:41 GMT 9
I feel like I wasn't very GENKI in my interview and they didn't seem to mind, I feel like being too GENKI could swing it the other way and put them off XD
But yeah try to seem approachable/hulemdoly and polite at least, and definitely try to speak clearly Try not to slouch or anything when you're sat there as well. I mean don't sit up so straight they think you're really tense, but don't just lounge there or huddle yourself up 'cause body language can also say a lot about a person (too loungey and you could look too laidback/careless, too huddled and you could look nervous/scared, like you're not a very sociable person etc.) ^^;;
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Post by ことしも魚ろしく on Jan 25, 2019 16:12:34 GMT 9
I feel like I wasn't very GENKI in my interview and they didn't seem to mind, I feel like being too GENKI could swing it the other way and put them off XD But yeah try to seem approachable/hulemdoly and polite at least, and definitely try to speak clearly Try not to slouch or anything when you're sat there as well. I mean don't sit up so straight they think you're really tense, but don't just lounge there or huddle yourself up 'cause body language can also say a lot about a person (too loungey and you could look too laidback/careless, too huddled and you could look nervous/scared, like you're not a very sociable person etc.) ^^;; well of course dont be TOO genki, but its still definitely better to be too genki than too quiet/lethargic looking bc theyll interpret the latter as やる気ない/感じ悪い. (also, the interviewers will have interviewed ALT candidates too, so it's kinda hard/impossible to be more GENKI than that). and YES about the body language! i guess my point was that while the japanese portion of the CIR interview is sizable, studying japanese shouldnt be your sole focus in prepping for it. think about the overall package youll be presenting to the interviewers.
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Post by 𝑜𝓇𝒾𝒽𝒾𝓂𝑒 on Jan 25, 2019 16:32:05 GMT 9
I feel like I wasn't very GENKI in my interview and they didn't seem to mind, I feel like being too GENKI could swing it the other way and put them off XD But yeah try to seem approachable/hulemdoly and polite at least, and definitely try to speak clearly Try not to slouch or anything when you're sat there as well. I mean don't sit up so straight they think you're really tense, but don't just lounge there or huddle yourself up 'cause body language can also say a lot about a person (too loungey and you could look too laidback/careless, too huddled and you could look nervous/scared, like you're not a very sociable person etc.) ^^;; well of course dont be TOO genki, but its still definitely better to be too genki than too quiet/lethargic looking bc theyll interpret the latter as やる気ない/感じ悪い. (also, the interviewers will have interviewed ALT candidates too, so it's kinda hard/impossible to be more GENKI than that). and YES about the body language! i guess my point was that while the japanese portion of the CIR interview is sizable, studying japanese shouldnt be your sole focus in prepping for it. think about the overall package youll be presenting to the interviewers. Haha, yeah that's very true
Yeah definitely, I get that. Like, they're gonna ask questions in English as well, you gotta make sure you answer them just as eloquently ^^
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Post by kulido on Jan 26, 2019 4:20:21 GMT 9
-proceeds to speak emphatically and super GENKI like in those Japanese tutorial thingamajiggies-
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Post by taengoo on Jan 26, 2019 5:44:25 GMT 9
Thank you for all your replies! I will keep that in mind I guess being able to communicate in Japanese that I'm not able to pronounce this specific kanji and if that would be okay to continue is also very important! I didn't think of that before haha Also, do you guys recommend taking off piercings during the interview? Other companies I have interviewed with were very open and okay with my ear piercings (just 4 visible on my right ear, hair is covering my left ear's piercings). It's 2 cartilage piercings and a double earlobe piercing... Nothing flashy at all. But this is Japan we're talking about... 出る釘は打たれる What do you guys think? I've heard of a lot of people coming in with crazy coloured hair etc and passed. hue
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Post by 𝑜𝓇𝒾𝒽𝒾𝓂𝑒 on Jan 26, 2019 8:59:32 GMT 9
Yeah I guess it depends on your interviewer whether they'll give you the reading for any kanji you don't know or not ^^;;; mine did, fortunately (I would just stop if I didn't know it and they would say it, then I'd continue), but it seems others weren't so lucky =/
I feel like just ear piercings should be fine? Idk how they'd feel about other piercings like on the face or anything though I have two piercings in each lobe and wore them to the interview (admittedly my hair covers them most of the time but I tuck my hair behind my ears when I'm nervous so they would've seen them) and wear them everyday at work and it's all good.
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Post by Sparkles on Jan 28, 2019 9:54:09 GMT 9
As for keigo vs teineigo at the interview, use whatever you're most comfortable with. Both are adequately polite for the situation at hand, and it's better to focus on the content of your answer rather than tripping yourself up on any keigo forms, especially if you're already nervous. (If you're more comfortable using keigo than teineigo, by all means use keigo, but I imagine that most CIR applicants are more comfortable with teineigo anyway.)
It's also worth mentioning that each country (and sometimes each consulate) does interviews in a different way. For example, it's my impression that the average UK interview has more Japanese than the average US interview. So while it's great to prepare for the interview, if you're trying to find specifics, I recommend trying to find posts/advice from people who interviewed in the same embassy/consulate (or at least country) you're signed up for. (Also, 99% of the info on this board is from people who applied through "eigoken" countries/places with English as their primary or one of their official languages, so if you are an applicant from, say, Germany, your process may differ significantly from what's on here. We've definitely had German and Italian CIRs post on these boards before, but overall the info is eigoken-centric, so ymmv.)
As for Japanese ability: your Japanese ability isn't the only factor being considered; there are a lot of factors, each with its own weight. Will you be a good cultural ambassador for your home country/culture/region? Are you open and excited about (or at least willing to try) new experiences? How will you get along with a possibly all-Japanese-except-for-you office in your (for most applicants) non-native country? How will you problem-solve? Someone with "barely N2" ability who has all of those qualities in spades may very well be what a CO (contracting organization/your actual employer in Japan, often a prefecture/city/town office) wants in a candidate, rather than someone with "got 180/180 on the N1" but is inflexible, unf.riendly, knows a lot about Japan but not also their home country/culture/region, or otherwise seems like they can't or won't adapt well to a Japanese working environment. While in some placements, it will certainly ease your way to have N1 competency (I think especially if your position ends up being translation heavy), it's definitely not a "must" for a lot of placements. And you learn so much on the job that even if you feel like you're on the lower end of competency for CIR applicants, you'll be in a very similar boat to everyone else once you get to the office. (Office Japanese isn't academic Japanese -- which isn't to scare anybody, but more to say that everyone still has stuff to learn and if you're willing to put in the time/effort to learn once you get here even if it's overwhelming and hard sometimes, you'll be okay in the end! And imo THAT'S the more important factor, rather than base level of Japanese ability, in most cases.)
And sometimes it just comes down to luck. Which is really hard to accept as a factor, because sometimes you've done everything in your control and it still doesn't work out. Some years have way more slots than others, and usually that's just coincidental -- how many CIRs have decided to move on, for whatever reason, and thereby opening up a spot. Example: 2011 had an influx of new JETs, significantly more than usual, because so many people left after the disasters and opened up more slots than an average year. If most of them, say, stayed 2 years, that would mean there was probably fewer slots than usual in the 2012 intake. (This was the case for the prefecture I was placed in -- I think there were like 35-40 new JETs in 2011 and barely 20 in 2012. I ended up coming another year after that, and I got the placement I did because my predecessor just so happened to be in their 5th and therefore final year/had to leave and open up a slot.)
As for appearance, I've noticed a lot of blogs and whatnot will give absolute lists, like DO THIS or DON'T WEAR THAT. I think overall if you wear whatever is appropriate to a high-level/formal interview in the place/country you're interviewing, you should be okay. If you're in doubt and it'll make you nervous to wear or not wear your piercings, for instance, go with what makes you less nervous and that won't get in the way during an interview. (The interview panels are usually 3 people, 2 of whom are often from the country/place you're interviewing in even if they do have Japan experience, so they'll understand where you're coming from.)
tl;dr your Japanese most likely won't be the deciding factor of your interview; try to be yourself, do whatever makes you less nervous, and show that you'll be a good cross-cultural ambassador who's willing to learn, adapt, and work to improve; and sometimes it just comes down to the luck, and that's not on you. Hang in there!!
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Post by kulido on Jan 29, 2019 12:35:06 GMT 9
Sparkles That's some really solid advice!! In the end, it's all about putting your best foot forward, huh? I was wondering though... 'cause like I heard from other people that the interviewers tend to draw questions from current events, so I was wondering how to deal with more controversial/touchy subjects like war, gender, etc. Would it be fine to be like "I'm an American, so I can't necessarily answer that question / judge Japanese society" or would that kinda be a cop-out? Or should I just state my 本音 but make sure to start it off with like あくまで僕の考えなんですけど
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Post by wapiko on Jan 29, 2019 14:26:08 GMT 9
Sparkles That's some really solid advice!! In the end, it's all about putting your best foot forward, huh? I was wondering though... 'cause like I heard from other people that the interviewers tend to draw questions from current events, so I was wondering how to deal with more controversial/touchy subjects like war, gender, etc. Would it be fine to be like "I'm an American, so I can't necessarily answer that question / judge Japanese society" or would that kinda be a cop-out? Or should I just state my 本音 but make sure to start it off with like あくまで僕の考えなんですけど I don't know if I'd play the outsider American card, but just acknowledge that while you might think X, you understand some people can think Y and it is good to consider differing opinions. That said, I got lucky and didn't get any crazy curveballs regarding current events except the MeToo movement which was easy enough to answer.
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Post by Dee on Jan 29, 2019 15:20:59 GMT 9
Sparkles That's some really solid advice!! In the end, it's all about putting your best foot forward, huh? I was wondering though... 'cause like I heard from other people that the interviewers tend to draw questions from current events, so I was wondering how to deal with more controversial/touchy subjects like war, gender, etc. Would it be fine to be like "I'm an American, so I can't necessarily answer that question / judge Japanese society" or would that kinda be a cop-out? Or should I just state my 本音 but make sure to start it off with like あくまで僕の考えなんですけど I got thrown a political question at the very end of my interview, and I answered with what I thought they wanted to hear, which ended up being very similar to wapiCOLD AF's recommendation.
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