nessie
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Posts: 7
CIR Experience: 1st year
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Post by nessie on Nov 19, 2017 18:52:33 GMT 9
Hello, newbie CIR here. I was wondering, does anyone on here know anything about the 新任用団体面談? (if there's already a thread about this somewhere I'm sorry)
CLAIR people (one Japanese employee and one former JET/foreign employee) are coming this week to talk to me and my CO (me, supervisor (very blargh), kakarichou (blargh), kachou (??)) because I am the first CIR here. Any other CIRs without preds know what kind of discussion to expect?
I have a lot of things I'd like to say about my CO/position (why on earth did you hire a CIR, why did you hire an eigoken CIR when a Chinese/Indonesian/Tagalog-speaking CIR would be so much more useful, why am I in a random department that has nothing to do with me, why do you make me write endless reports which no one ever reads, why don't you use me for really obvious jobs like office eikaiwa/the international association/greeting foreign officials/writing letters to European sister city, why do you actively hide things from me like that 異文化seminar/that ambassador that came to visit, what's with the no female ALTs rule in town...etc)
It would be pretty tactless to mention a lot of my questions in front of CLAIR, but what kind of stuff will they want to discuss? Is this a good chance to actually communicate with my CO or should I look for another opportunity?
よろしく!
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Post by B.B.P. on Nov 20, 2017 10:28:56 GMT 9
Personally i would ask your CO some of the questions that you have before the meeting. I think you are right in thinking that mentioning some questions would be tactless but I do think that the female ALT rule is something that should be addressed as there could be a good reason? (it seems a little bit sus to me? is the CO location unsafe for women?? has there been some sort of issue?) I think that they should give you an answer but whether they will is a whole different issue.
A good time could be at your recontacting meeting? My supervisor and kakaricho had a meeting with me for mine and asked if there were any issues and things they could do to resolve any issues or questions I had.
I definitely think that your questions regarding "why did you hire an eigoken CIR when a Chinese/Indonesian/Tagalog-speaking CIR would be so much more useful, why am I in a random department that has nothing to do with me, why do you make me write endless reports which no one ever reads" is something you should bring up privately with your CO as soon as you can.
as for wanting do to more relevant work you could write up a a TEIAN for each little job in your spare time at work and then give hints to your soup that you are interested in doing XX because sometimes people just kind of forget that you can do these things and are too busy to ask, who knows ¯|_₍⸍⸌̣ʷ̣̫⸍̣⸌₎_/¯ ESID
Im not a first CIR for my CO but i hope that there is maybe some advice that might he helpful and if i am wrong about anything please have me punished and banished to the gulag
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Post by Psychic Pug on Nov 20, 2017 10:44:20 GMT 9
Hello, newbie CIR here. I was wondering, does anyone on here know anything about the 新任用団体面談? (if there's already a thread about this somewhere I'm sorry) gyomu Gyomu people (one Japanese employee and one former JET/foreign employee) are coming this week to talk to me and my CO (me, supervisor (very blargh), kakarichou (blargh), kachou (??)) because I am the first CIR here. Any other CIRs without preds know what kind of discussion to expect? I have a lot of things I'd like to say about my CO/position (why on earth did you hire a CIR, why did you hire an eigoken CIR when a Chinese/Indonesian/ Tagalog-speaking CIR would be so much more useful, why am I in a random department that has nothing to do with me, why do you make me write endless reports which no one ever reads, why don't you use me for really obvious jobs like office eikaiwa/the international association/greeting foreign officials/writing letters to European sister city, why do you actively hide things from me like that 異文化seminar/that ambassador that came to visit, what's with the no female ALTs rule in town...etc) It would be pretty tactless to mention a lot of my questions in front of gyomu Gyomu, but what kind of stuff will they want to discuss? Is this a good chance to actually communicate with my CO or should I look for another opportunity? よろしく! we're very rare (JET just started 2-3 years ago in the PH. I dunno how competitive the application is for CIRs but for ALTs it's an advantage if you had teaching experience. whereas for other countries even the average weeb can get it in). I think there's only 2 of us 全国 and I'm not even from the PH. I'd love to have more PH CIRs sometimes I have to translate stuff in Tagalog and it can be hard ;_;
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Post by ❄icepath❄ on Nov 20, 2017 15:58:13 GMT 9
Hello, newbie CIR here. I was wondering, does anyone on here know anything about the 新任用団体面談? (if there's already a thread about this somewhere I'm sorry) gyomu Gyomu people (one Japanese employee and one former JET/foreign employee) are coming this week to talk to me and my CO (me, supervisor (very blargh), kakarichou (blargh), kachou (??)) because I am the first CIR here. Any other CIRs without preds know what kind of discussion to expect? I have a lot of things I'd like to say about my CO/position (why on earth did you hire a CIR, why did you hire an eigoken CIR when a Chinese/Indonesian/Tagalog-speaking CIR would be so much more useful, why am I in a random department that has nothing to do with me, why do you make me write endless reports which no one ever reads, why don't you use me for really obvious jobs like office eikaiwa/the international association/greeting foreign officials/writing letters to European sister city, why do you actively hide things from me like that 異文化seminar/that ambassador that came to visit, what's with the no female ALTs rule in town...etc) It would be pretty tactless to mention a lot of my questions in front of gyomu Gyomu, but what kind of stuff will they want to discuss? Is this a good chance to actually communicate with my CO or should I look for another opportunity? よろしく! I can't really offer any help, but all I can say is I feel your pain... I really wished I had the chance to say all these to CLAIR but alas I'm the second CIR and taking over this position that's only existed for a year, so I hope you'll make good use of this opportunity to let CLAIR know your frustrations so that your successors won't take over your position feeling as underutilized as you do now, but infinitely more helpless. Ganbatte!!
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Post by Dee on Nov 21, 2017 13:36:06 GMT 9
I'm also a first CIR with no pred, my CLAIR "interview" is in a couple of weeks. I have no idea what to expect either, my soup just said they are coming and not much else.
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nessie
Straight outta Narita
Posts: 7
CIR Experience: 1st year
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Post by nessie on Nov 21, 2017 20:48:37 GMT 9
B.B.P. please don't go to the gulag I am actually super 感動した that people replied to me even though I don't know anyone here And your advice is good advice, all my time is spare time so I will write some more TEIAN for them to think about, if I write up a TEIAN for everything they can't ignore them all aha. I didn't get a chance to talk to my CO before the meeting and the CLAIR people spoke to us separately so I did mention some of the somewhat tactless things about the general lack of any feedback and the fact they shouldn't have hired an eigoken CIR, but you are 100% right and I should talk to my CO about it I'm scared to talk about the no female ALTs rule though because from what I've heard through the obaachan grapevine I am not meant to know anything about it and why they have it and I'm pretty sure my all-male ka would run for the hills if I brought it up
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nessie
Straight outta Narita
Posts: 7
CIR Experience: 1st year
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Post by nessie on Nov 21, 2017 20:57:24 GMT 9
we're very rare (JET just started 2-3 years ago in the PH. I dunno how competitive the application is for CIRs but for ALTs it's an advantage if you had teaching experience. whereas for other countries even the average weeb can get it in). I think there's only 2 of us 全国 and I'm not even from the PH. I'd love to have more PH CIRs sometimes I have to translate stuff in Tagalog and it can be hard ;_; I didn't know that! I told CLAIR that I think my CO shouldn't have hired an eigoken person and mentioned Indonesian and Tagalog and they took notes and looked thoughtful so maybe they will think about getting more PH CIRs in future! I'd love if they hired a PH CIR here, then people might stop complaining about how I don't speak any useful languages *sigh*
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nessie
Straight outta Narita
Posts: 7
CIR Experience: 1st year
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Post by nessie on Nov 21, 2017 21:13:47 GMT 9
I can't really offer any help, but all I can say is I feel your pain... I really wished I had the chance to say all these to gyomu Gyomu but alas I'm the second CIR and taking over this position that's only existed for a year, so I hope you'll make good use of this opportunity to let gyomu Gyomu know your frustrations so that your successors won't take over your position feeling as underutilized as you do now, but infinitely more helpless. Ganbatte!! gyomu Gyomu came and they interviewed me and my CO separately and I said all the things! (except the no female ALTs thing..) Since it was separate it's still down to me to talk to my CO about these problems but I feel better having talked to gyomu Gyomu! Pretty sure I won't have a successor though, going by the shifty looks they give whenever recontracting comes up Dee I had my interview today! They interview you and your CO separately (in my case my CO went first), it was very casual, more of a general 'how are you getting on' discussion than an interview, although they did take a lot of notes. If you have stuff you'd like to discuss my advice is to prepare! My supervisor prepared copies of a newspaper article about me and stuff I wrote for the town magazine and apparently gave gyomu Gyomu a direct quote of something I said on my first day and I felt very out-manoeuvred
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Post by B.B.P. on Nov 21, 2017 22:57:41 GMT 9
nessie Given that this is a work forum and I feel like giving some advice on here is better than me sitting around doing nothing haha. This forum is a great place for all us to out our heads together and help out fellow hulemdos because together we can probably do some good in helping Japan get its workforce together or just die trying. I haven't met any CIRs from here irl yet (I think ) either ! But welcome !!
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Post by Dee on Nov 22, 2017 13:29:30 GMT 9
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Post by ❄icepath❄ on Nov 22, 2017 18:43:37 GMT 9
I can't really offer any help, but all I can say is I feel your pain... I really wished I had the chance to say all these to gyomu Gyomu but alas I'm the second CIR and taking over this position that's only existed for a year, so I hope you'll make good use of this opportunity to let gyomu Gyomu know your frustrations so that your successors won't take over your position feeling as underutilized as you do now, but infinitely more helpless. Ganbatte!! gyomu Gyomu came and they interviewed me and my CO separately and I said all the things! (except the no female ALTs thing..) Since it was separate it's still down to me to talk to my CO about these problems but I feel better having talked to gyomu Gyomu! Pretty sure I won't have a successor though, going by the shifty looks they give whenever recontracting comes up Dee I had my interview today! They interview you and your CO separately (in my case my CO went first), it was very casual, more of a general 'how are you getting on' discussion than an interview, although they did take a lot of notes. If you have stuff you'd like to discuss my advice is to prepare! My supervisor prepared copies of a newspaper article about me and stuff I wrote for the town magazine and apparently gave gyomu Gyomu a direct quote of something I said on my first day and I felt very out-manoeuvred I'm glad your interview went well! I actually went to ask my pred if Clair came to interview them, but they said no but they're also not coming to ask me... I wonder if my tiny island is too inaka for them...
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kobebryantbeef
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CIR Experience: 5th year
Location: Hyogo
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Post by kobebryantbeef on Nov 24, 2017 15:16:56 GMT 9
Glad your interview went well, allow me to answer your questions from a local government standpoint if they were not previously addressed.
why on earth did you hire a CIR: because Japan is a GROBAL society -> Olympics are coming in 2020 -> ?? -> Expencting a 1000% percent increase in inbound tourists (English Speaking Only) to LET'S MIRYOKUing
why did you hire an eigoken CIR when a Chinese/Indonesian/Tagalog-speaking CIR would be so much more useful: Because GAIKOKU NO KATA have European features and speak English, they are as different from AJIA-JIN as Japan's four seasons.
why am I in a random department that has nothing to do with me: Because departments in Japanese government are drawn by Rock-Paper-Scissor. It's a kind of Japanese BUNKA. You can't be expecting HR to assign people to departments they are knowledgeable/interested in, the entire system would collapse.
why do you make me write endless reports which no one ever reads: Because otherwise how can we REALLY prove to taxpayers our ourselves that we are actually working.
why don't you use me for really obvious jobs like office eikaiwa/the international association/greeting foreign officials/writing letters to European sister city: Because we budgeted two years ago for you to do what you are doing now. Doing obvious jobs would require budget revision and city council approval. Apply now and you can get hyaku-man for eikaiwa class FY 2019.
why do you actively hide things from me like that 異文化seminar/that ambassador that came to visit, what's with the no female ALTs rule in town...etc: Because we don't trust you enough yet and have a limited budget for CIR activities. No female ALTs in town because they might go spreading around their JIYUU western ideals about women working/maternity leave and god forbid we won't be having our daughters emulate them and miss out on marrying a dentist with two Ferraris and one of those sick Nescafe machines.
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Post by setch on Dec 1, 2017 13:52:47 GMT 9
Hello, newbie CIR here. I was wondering, does anyone on here know anything about the 新任用団体面談? (if there's already a thread about this somewhere I'm sorry) gyomu Gyomu people (one Japanese employee and one former JET/foreign employee) are coming this week to talk to me and my CO (me, supervisor (very blargh), kakarichou (blargh), kachou (??)) because I am the first CIR here. Any other CIRs without preds know what kind of discussion to expect? I have a lot of things I'd like to say about my CO/position ( why on earth did you hire a CIR, why did you hire an eigoken CIR when a Chinese/Indonesian/Tagalog-speaking CIR would be so much more useful, why am I in a random department that has nothing to do with me, why do you make me write endless reports which no one ever reads, why don't you use me for really obvious jobs like office eikaiwa/the international association/greeting foreign officials/writing letters to European sister city, why do you actively hide things from me like that 異文化seminar/that ambassador that came to visit, what's with the no female ALTs rule in town...etc) It would be pretty tactless to mention a lot of my questions in front of gyomu Gyomu, but what kind of stuff will they want to discuss? Is this a good chance to actually communicate with my CO or should I look for another opportunity? よろしく! Hi are you me I'm the first CIR in my town and we had the soudan with gyomu Gyomu earlier this year, I'm not sure if it'll be the same content for you but here's a rundown of what the day was like for me - Two gyomu Gyomu officials came, we had a general greeting in the mayor's office with my kachou, jimukyokucho and tantousha (and the vice mayor). It was all just self introductions and pleasantries so nothing much here - We then split up and the two gyomu Gyomu reps actually interviewed me first, privately. They asked me general questions about how I was enjoying the job and what kind of work I was doing, but it gradually got more detailed as they went into asking about if my workload was reasonable, was I doing overtime, if yes how was I getting compensated for it (is there a daikyu system?), do I feel like my tasks are relevant to my position as CIR, do I get along with my coworkers, do I feel welcome and comfortable in my workplace, how are my living conditions, how is my personal support system here (do I feel like I can reply on my CO and soup if something happens), have I had any issues with going to the hospital when sick, was I able to take sick leave, have I experienced homesickness or culture shock since coming here, if yes how do I deal with that, am I aware of the JET support systems such as counselling services, have I attended any of the translation and interpreting courses or the camp in that place with the Lake and NOTHING ELSE, did I find it useful, do I want to work in Japan after JET or would I like to go home/into something else like further study... and probably more but that was the gist of it. Seriously we spoke for about an hour and a half all up and they took very thorough notes. They gave me ample opportunities to speak honestly about any issues or qualms I might have had with my workplace and didn't make any quick judgements or dole out advice on the spot. It was surprisingly nice actually. - Then I got asked to leave the room while they interviewed my tantousha and other bosses very thoroughly for about the same length of time. I wasn't allowed in the room so I have no idea what it was about but I assume they do a series of similar questions about your behavior and performance etc. - We then toured some of the local attractions in town and I was able to show the reps some of the translation work I'd done for tourism establishments. The lady in particular had a background in translating and was great to talk to about the challenges of translating and had good advice for future projects. We didn't tour my actual office though and they didn't get to meet my whole team which was a bit of a shame as it's separate to where we held the interviews, but I could've probably been more proactive about asking for that if I really wanted them to do so. - Then we dropped them off at the train station and it was over! I emailed a thanks to both of them and got nice replies. There was no formal feedback or report from them or anything though so /shrug All up it took most of the day and was pretty nerve-wracking but once you get over the nerves it's a really good opportunity to give honest and open feedback about your situation and your CO, so I'd encourage you to not hold back if there's anything you want to say (keeping it as non-petty as possible though obviously) Hope this helps, let me know if there's anything more specific you wanted to know!
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Post by Dee on Dec 1, 2017 14:08:15 GMT 9
Thanks setch! That is a very helpful summary.
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num05410
So jozu at chopsticks
Posts: 139
CIR Experience: 3rd year
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Post by num05410 on May 19, 2023 10:48:28 GMT 9
just out of curiosity... After all the interview, talks, and what not, did anything really change?
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Post by Shimanchu 2024 on May 22, 2023 16:58:14 GMT 9
I'm curious too.
Too bad this thread's six years old and it's likely we'll never know, hue
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hettieso
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Post by hettieso on May 22, 2023 21:50:43 GMT 9
just out of curiosity... After all the interview, talks, and what not, did anything really change? 結論から言いますと if no one feels a strong need for the CIR's services, the situation will not improve. clair doesn't have the power to make a CO do anything. if anything, clair might well be responsible for your troubles. in my case, my CO apparently specifically requested a speaker of chinese, but I don't speak any chinese, so how do you think that made them felt...? to be fair, I have no idea if they had the ability to reject clair's offer of a non-chinese speaking person, but who knows. one thing I will say is that despite specifically requesting a speaker of chinese, there is absolutely no need of a chinese-speaking CIR (or any CIR) in my placement...but again, that is neither here nor there. if a CO does anything, it will only be to save face, but that won't actually improve the CIR's situation. the fact that our salaries are substantially subsidised doesn't help. COs have no incentive to treat us as anything other than something like one of those pockettalk gadgets (btw, also purchased with hojokin), left on the shelf until required, used, and then put back to collect dust for another year. in the end, it's best to accept reality and move on. we are disposable to our COs.
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num05410
So jozu at chopsticks
Posts: 139
CIR Experience: 3rd year
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Post by num05410 on May 23, 2023 15:03:33 GMT 9
ahaha, figured as much. The English-Chinese thing is something that fortunately (or perhaps unfortunately) doesn't apply in my case. (The mayor specifically asked for someone from the states.)
But at the same time I feel like there should be some kind or resposibility (dunno if this is the right word here but..) on CLAIR's end for not being able to have some kind of minimal standard that COs need to meet before being able to ask for a CIR.
If in any case they have such standard, then it should be re-looked at for sure.. Although i guess there's some fault on my end for not being able to see through it in the beginning when I saw the obvious red flags and just slowly turned away from it...
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hettieso
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Post by hettieso on May 23, 2023 18:00:47 GMT 9
ahaha, figured as much. The English-Chinese thing is something that fortunately (or perhaps unfortunately) doesn't apply in my case. (The mayor specifically asked for someone from the states.) But at the same time I feel like there should be some kind or resposibility (dunno if this is the right word here but..) on CLAIR's end for not being able to have some kind of minimal standard that COs need to meet before being able to ask for a CIR. If in any case they have such standard, then it should be re-looked at for sure.. Although i guess there's some fault on my end for not being able to see through it in the beginning when I saw the obvious red flags and just slowly turned away from it... I agree entirely, but in the end, clair is only an intermediary. clair wanted to meet with my CO, and my CO refused. clair accordingly wrote to me that they could do nothing further. the specific arrangement by which cirs are employed means clair is powerless. even when they want to do something, they pretty much cannot. just as some alts end up being relegated to being a human tape recorder, some cirs are going to be a human google translate, if even that. my supervisor said that clair swamps them with information about alts, and so little of it is applicable to cirs that there was no way for someone busy with other duties to have to sift through all that irrelevant material to find out what a cir was at the time they decided to call one...
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