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Post by 🎄🌰🌰Yoosting on an open 🔥🎄 on Apr 10, 2017 13:20:50 GMT 9
My department has been working on a database of all the proper English names of facilities, roads and organizations and all other (place) names under the city Eternal Overlordistration. This is coming along pretty well, and it's useful for reference when were checking city documents, tourism pamphlets etc.
However, looking at Google Maps, it seems that English place names are added automatically according to Google's guidelines, which means something like 福島県立安積高等学校 becomes "Fukushimaken Tachiasakakoto School" instead of the proper "Fukushima Prefectural Asaka High School". For local schools this is one thing, but when non-Japanese speaking residents or tourists can't find important city facilities that's a problem. I've looked into suggesting edits for tags to Maps, but still waiting to see if they actually get approved.
Does anyone have experience with this problem, and maybe ways to either solve or circumvent it? Google Maps is such a widely used service both by individual users as well as embedded in websites for facilities, it's a waste if the information is wrong and people can't find what they're looking for.
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Post by marudate on Apr 17, 2017 8:56:20 GMT 9
Please see "Fun with Google Maps" cirhomepage.boards.net/thread/560/fun-google-mapsThe short answer is that you can edit Google Maps listings directly and should! Google doesn't really have a coherent way of romanizing Japanese place names. Basic geographical info and names are taken from the Zenrin map data Google Maps in Japan are based on. It's up to the users/owners of facilities to fix English listings through crowdsourcing. I think the more you do the more Google will accept your changes. Including pictures with the English name is helpful if they exist. Other Google Guides users can also vote on your changes and affirm they are correct or not. If you/the government is doing this officially maybe register yourself as the "owner of this businesses" so that others can't change these listings. I do most of my edits as just a third-party (on behalf of businesses/ tourist attractions in town).
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Post by 🎄🌰🌰Yoosting on an open 🔥🎄 on Apr 18, 2017 11:00:01 GMT 9
Please see "Fun with Google Maps" cirhomepage.boards.net/thread/560/fun-google-mapsThe short answer is that you can edit Google Maps listings directly and should! Google doesn't really have a coherent way of romanizing Japanese place names. Basic geographical info and names are taken from the Zenrin map data Google Maps in Japan are based on. It's up to the users/owners of facilities to fix English listings through crowdsourcing. I think the more you do the more Google will accept your changes. Including pictures with the English name is helpful if they exist. Other Google Guides users can also vote on your changes and affirm they are correct or not. If you/the government is doing this officially maybe register yourself as the "owner of this businesses" so that others can't change these listings. I do most of my edits as just a third-party (on behalf of businesses/ tourist attractions in town). Ah, I should've taken the time to check for previous SUREs. This is great information though. I'll talk about it with my colleagues to see if we can start fixing this.
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Post by ことしも魚ろしく on Apr 25, 2017 15:18:29 GMT 9
I just wanna say, wow marudate your Google Maps guide is spot on about the semi-automated approval algorithm and actual ppl involved with fact checking. I used to do temp-work for Google Maps while they were coming up with the algorithm and I was one of the many many ppl approving edits and calling places to confirm info.
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Post by marudate on Apr 25, 2017 15:31:00 GMT 9
ことしも魚ろしく, thanks for confirming! By being an overly enthusiastic Local Guide (level 4 on two accounts) and seeing the system evolve I think I'm figuring out how it all works. I think my town probably has the best Google Maps in this region of Japan for foreign visitors thanks to our efforts.
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Post by 🎄🌰🌰Yoosting on an open 🔥🎄 on Apr 25, 2017 15:35:40 GMT 9
This looks like a good project for a lot of CIRs. Do you usually do your editing in your capacity as a CIR, or voluntarily on your own account? I'm thinking about how to sell this to my department as an idea for the future, since we're doing a lot with multilingual info of city facilities nowadays.
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Post by ことしも魚ろしく on Apr 25, 2017 15:38:00 GMT 9
ことしも魚ろしく , thanks for confirming! By being an overly enthusiastic Local Guide (level 4 on two accounts) and seeing the system evolve I think I'm figuring out how it all works. I think my town probably has the best Google Maps in this region of Japan for foreign visitors thanks to our efforts. I might copy what you did and tinker with the Google Maps in my part of Japan... I remember it being damn near impossible to find businesses on Maps when I first got here. Where are you located btw? I wanna see what you did, if that's ok. Are the images you used in the guide from around your area?
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Post by marudate on Apr 25, 2017 15:49:12 GMT 9
This looks like a good project for a lot of CIRs. Do you usually do your editing in your capacity as a CIR, or voluntarily on your own account? I'm thinking about how to sell this to my department as an idea for the future, since we're doing a lot with multilingual info of city facilities nowadays. This is a project that I do at work as part of my duties and whenever I find a nice place other English speakers might enjoy (while waiting for food upload a pic, add an English name, confirm hours, etc.) It's also something I can do when I'm tired or have nothing else to do at work. I work in the tourism division, so one of my duties was to create a standardized list of English place names and terms for my town. We have standardized English pamphlets, on-site tourist information maps, Google Maps and more using these names. For any facility I directly work with as part of our English Consulting program, fixing the maps/names on sites like Google Maps is one of the first things I do. We don't want people to come to town and get lost, be unable to search for a place they want because of non-standardized spellings, and want maps and word of mouth to help propel people to visit less famous places. After registering a not-well known panoramic viewpoint and adding a picture from it to Google Maps we've seen a burst in popularity. 50,000+ people have seen this picture on the maps in a year! I presented about our use of Google Maps at a forum on images (movies, stills, design, etc.) and how the pictures on it get more views than Instagram, etc. I was told afterwards that one of the attendees was with the regional branch of a economic promotion ministry (can look up which one it was) and that they are now doing grants to add images/fix up Google Maps. I also uncovered long-gone places still registered, a beautiful panoramic park whose mailing address is located at town hall having the map marker also be at town hall (nope), places not on the underlying Zenrin maps excluded (most famous island in the area not on it because it was originally a driving map), etc. Message me for details as it's something the town/region here is proud of and would like to see other places do, too.
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Post by shanshan310 on Apr 26, 2017 16:37:55 GMT 9
I have a question in a similar vein. So the buses in my city don’t show up on google maps. We get a lot of international tourists through the area, so I feel like it would be helpful to have, because right now it just says there’s no way to get anywhere in town other than by car. I assume this is a common issue across smaller cities. Has anyone been able to change it or get google to change it? (my supervisor suggested tourists just download the yahoo app hue)
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Post by marudate on Apr 27, 2017 8:42:04 GMT 9
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Post by shanshan310 on Apr 28, 2017 10:21:31 GMT 9
Thanks for that. That's... interesting. The transport company my city uses for buses and trains is listed, but it only says trains. Will look into this.
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Post by marudate on May 1, 2017 13:44:55 GMT 9
Hey all, Google Maps rolled out amazing machine translation for user comments! Awesome! Here's a fine example of it in action (NSFW)
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Post by frooperyfroop on May 2, 2017 17:37:45 GMT 9
Hey all, Google Maps rolled out amazing machine translation for user comments! Awesome! Here's a fine example of it in action (NSFW) ... I guess this should provide some comfort to those people worrying that translating jobs may eventually be rendered obsolete by machine translators? XD
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Post by marudate on May 9, 2017 10:01:37 GMT 9
I saw that this fine establishment has closed (tear) So as not to lose this fine example of Engrish I have decided to quote its entirety (and the shocking Japanese it is based on)
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Post by Shimanchu 2024 on May 9, 2017 11:02:19 GMT 9
......... Is google seriously just replacing クソ with random F-bombs? I wanna learn more about the "sword curtain"
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Post by marudate on May 9, 2017 15:00:17 GMT 9
......... Is google seriously just replacing クソ with random F-bombs? I wanna learn more about the "sword curtain" Yes, it is glorious! All hail machine intelligence. BIG DATA + MACHINE LEARNING = fucking fuckety!
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Well you can tell by the way I use my star I'm a woman's star, no time to star. Music loud and starring stars I been starred around, since I was star.
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Post by Shimanchu 2024 on May 9, 2017 15:23:47 GMT 9
......... Is google seriously just replacing クソ with random F-bombs? I wanna learn more about the "sword curtain" Yes, it is glorious! All hail machine intelligence. BIG DATA + MACHINE LEARNING = ふcking ふckety!
Orange juice!
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Post by marudate on May 10, 2017 8:52:07 GMT 9
I do not!
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Post by frooperyfroop on May 11, 2017 16:49:19 GMT 9
I saw that this fine establishment has closed (tear) So as not to lose this fine example of Engrish I have decided to quote its entirety (and the shocking Japanese it is based on) ......... Is google seriously just replacing クソ with random F-bombs? I wanna learn more about the "sword curtain" Reminds me of how many machine translators turn the Mandarin word "干" into "fuck" resulting in some gems like "spread to fuck the fruit" and "the shrimp fucks the cabbage" (see here).
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Post by 🎄🌰🌰Yoosting on an open 🔥🎄 on May 19, 2017 10:09:00 GMT 9
So I've been mucking around a bit with some places on Google Maps in my city, adjusted a few wrong names and added a few places which were missing. There are, however, a number of my corrections that have been 'Pending' for a while now, while others get accepted pretty much instantly. I first thought it might have something to do with businesses being 'claimed', but with some of my pending-edits the facilities are still up for grabs, so to speak. I'm wondering if it's a matter of the difference between data Google has received from Zenrin or from other sources. marudate, has your city hall claimed all the facilities they manage through the city on Maps? For most city facilities like 公民館 and sports facilities, the places are still unclaimed in Koriyama.
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Post by marudate on May 19, 2017 11:59:59 GMT 9
Hi Yoosuto, I think I have come across one claimed property in my municipality. I have not claimed any. I also had a hundred or so stuck in moderation. I created a second account and submitted the same edits and used one account to verify the other's additions.
For one particularly stubborn place we really needed to fix I had a hulemdo use his app to say the info was correct. Google doesn't have a lot of staff to verify things so it can get stuck for a while. There seem to be few users updating the maps in my region, too.
That said, at this point I think because of the number of edits I have made that have been accepted, Google accepts almost all my edits instantly. If there are any you want me to look at for Koriyama, message me.
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Post by marudate on May 19, 2017 12:28:28 GMT 9
I verified some Koriyama spots, I hope it helps. There are a lot sitting there. Be sure to check other people's contributions too if you have time!
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Post by marudate on May 24, 2017 9:57:59 GMT 9
🎄🌰🌰Yoosting on an open 🔥🎄, did you see if any of your edits were accepted? I went through most of Koriyama and said yes to English place names and some hours of operation. If that wasn't enough maybe we could get another person or two from the forums to also take a look at the city.
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Post by 🎄🌰🌰Yoosting on an open 🔥🎄 on May 25, 2017 16:43:09 GMT 9
marudate, thanks for verifying edits in Koriyama! I'm still waiting for the approval of the 市民文化センター and the ヨーク開成山スタジアム. The latter changed its name recently and the Japanese name was edited soon enough, but it's not accepting the addition of its official English title (York Kaiseizan Stadium). Let me know if you need verification on anything btw!
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Post by marudate on May 30, 2017 8:49:22 GMT 9
Other forum members, please approve these places, too!
Go to the menu, go to "your contributions", click "check the facts" and browse over to Koriyama until you find these places. I already verified them with my account.
What's the proper name for 市民文化センター ?
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Post by Mumblesnore on May 30, 2017 8:54:56 GMT 9
Hi.
*hacker voice* I'm in.
Do I just assume everything in Koriyama is correct, and approve everything?
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Post by Mumblesnore on May 30, 2017 8:58:57 GMT 9
I verified the stadium. Still looking for the Shimin Bunka Center.
edit: okay, found it. I also verified the City Hall; I hope that was the right thing to do.
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Post by marudate on May 30, 2017 9:12:54 GMT 9
Excellent work, agent Mumbles.
Yeah just click on things where the name was changed and if it's a fixed English name it's probably our man on the ground.
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Post by Mumblesnore on May 30, 2017 9:14:33 GMT 9
Yeah there's a lot of stuff about verifying hours and websites...but I'll leave that to the locals.
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