japam
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Post by japam on May 23, 2015 19:19:53 GMT 9
Yep, last time I went to Japan I went a little bit insane in various bookshops. So now I'm reading books in descending order of size, so I only end up bringing the tiddlers.
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yevi
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Post by yevi on Jun 11, 2015 13:00:16 GMT 9
*attempting to bring thread back to life*
I'm starting to figure out what to buy for work attire, and the struggles---. what kinda shoes are appropriate for business formal?? I'm 5'9 and not about to wear heels. (guys chime in, I usually wear men's shoes anyway)
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Post by rhfs on Jun 11, 2015 13:10:44 GMT 9
*attempting to bring thread back to life* I'm starting to figure out what to buy for work attire, and the struggles---. what kinda shoes are appropriate for business formal?? I'm 5'9 and not about to wear heels. (guys chime in, I usually wear men's shoes anyway) My old supervisor (a woman) used to wear sneakers with her otherwise normal business attire. Recently I've been wearing sneakers as well (wearing them right now actually) and nobody has said anything. Definitely depends on the office though. Some CIRs have to wear suits every day.
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yevi
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Post by yevi on Jun 11, 2015 13:16:42 GMT 9
*attempting to bring thread back to life* I'm starting to figure out what to buy for work attire, and the struggles---. what kinda shoes are appropriate for business formal?? I'm 5'9 and not about to wear heels. (guys chime in, I usually wear men's shoes anyway) My old supervisor (a woman) used to wear sneakers with her otherwise normal business attire. Recently I've been wearing sneakers as well (wearing them right now actually) and nobody has said anything. Definitely depends on the office though. Some CIRs have to wear suits every day. Cool, that's helpful, thank you~ I'm at a kencho so it might be a little stricter, but I was thinking of getting a pair of black/black vans or something in addition to fancier shoes, then I'll just test the water after a few weeks...
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Post by Sparkles on Jun 11, 2015 14:10:12 GMT 9
yevi, standard dressy shoes should be fine. I actually commute to work every day in sneakers/tennis shoes (I often walk to work -- takes about half an hour at a normal pace) and then change into my nice shoes when I get to the office. I keep my nice shoes on a little shelf under my desk; they live at my office. I have other pairs of nice shoes at home and occasionally swap the pairs, but usually they're just the nice black flats I own. A lot of people here do the opposite -- they commute to the kencho in really fancy shoes and then change into casual/more comfortable shoes when they get to the office because they have no actual interaction with the KENMIN and never leave their office for other meetings or whatever. My division, on the other hand, often hosts visitors from other government entities, the private sector, and overseas, so we need to look nice in the office -- meaning nice shoes. Occasionally I've gotten away with black, no-laces tennis shoes on days where I am 100% positive no one is visiting and I don't have a 出張. (Though sometimes I do wear the black, no-laces nice tennis shoes when I go on 出張 that involves a lot of standing or walking around and generally get a pass.) I think you could get away with black/black vans, especially if they have no laces, for less formal days. Just make sure a pair of nice shoes lives at your office and you'll be prepared for all occasions! Maybe wear the nice shoes for the first few weeks to cultivate that lovely first impression and see what your coworkers are wearing, then wordlessly throw in days where you have more casual shoes on. Fellow CIR (the CIR who sits next to me at the office) is a guy and wears a suit (or a non-suit Cool Biz attire in Cool Biz season) and nice shoes every day. For most of my first year I did, too, but then I've slowly gotten more toward the "business casual" side during warmer months and I've almost never gotten comments. (I do wear blazers, suits, or nice sweaters all winter because it's cold and I want the extra layer.) I still make sure to wear a suit on Important Days regardless of how ridiculously hot it is, though. I think what women wear is more flexible, but it can be hard to know what's best because there's no prescribed formula of suit-and-tie. tl;dr: For a job at the kencho, have at least two pairs of nice dress shoes; have one pair live at home and one at the office. (If you have the space, you might want to keep a blazer/suit jacket at the office, too.) Dress formally for the first few months and observe what your coworkers wear. Adjust accordingly. Ease slowly into the more casual attire -- if you can go more business casual, do it!!
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Post by むちゃRABU❤ on Jun 11, 2015 16:37:34 GMT 9
I guess kencho is a lot more strict. Barring bright clothes or jeans or something, I pretty much wear smart casual to work all the time. And so do most of the ladies in my office. It's the men that always need to be in shirts (unless its cool biz season. then its polo tees).
But what sparkles said about the shoes is spot on.
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yevi
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Post by yevi on Jun 12, 2015 0:43:48 GMT 9
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G-Rex
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Post by G-Rex on Jun 12, 2015 10:41:42 GMT 9
whatever you end up getting
just make sure it doesn't have laces
3 years in and i only just got around to getting two pairs of slip on work shoes. tired of lacing and unlacing every time i do something
and yeah, i would echo others' opinions and just like any other social setting, you want to dress up rather than down just in case at the beginning, then slowly push the boat out to the casual once you have an idea of what others in your office wear, what you're expected to be doing at work, and of course what you feel like wearing.
i was a suit every day guy at first, but i've gone much more casual (chinos + sport jacket/blazer kinda thing) in my past year, but only cos i know i can get away with it being the 4th longest-serving member of the office.
tl;dr - dress up at first, see what others wear, and then dress down according to office style and your preferences. also applies to shoes. don't bother getting lace-up shoes or you'll regret it in the long-run
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Post by sembei on Jun 13, 2015 5:39:52 GMT 9
Thanks for the advice Sparkles, むちゃRABU❤, and G-Rex! I'm also thinking over my shoe situation now while I still have access to stores with a wide selection of dress shoes in my size. I hadn't thought about keeping an additional pair at work & swapping 'em out that's a really good idea! I'm fairly certain I'm shiyakusho but I'm still waiting on contact with job/housing details. My city is taking on JETs for the first time getting 8 ALTs and 1 CIR. We're all in a FB chat and they've all gotten their deets come on...
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japam
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Post by japam on Jun 14, 2015 3:33:04 GMT 9
I'm in the shoe market too. This info is gold. Start dressy, slowly work my way towards animal slippers.
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keio chris
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Post by keio chris on Jun 17, 2015 16:39:04 GMT 9
I'm in the shoe market too. This info is gold. Start dressy, slowly work my way towards animal slippers. Like G-Rex, I used to suit and tie every day. Today, I am in a check shirt with rolled up sleeves for cool biz, have grey chinos on and blue boat shoes. Feels right.
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su
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Post by su on Jun 24, 2015 12:30:58 GMT 9
I know a lot of you have said not to worry about studying Japanese before arriving to Japan, but I just got the welcome packets/contract from my CO and found it difficult trying to read through everything. I don't know if these documents are actually hard to read or if I'm just terrible hue.
Anyway, my question is has the Japanese for CIRs textbook been helpful for all of you? Did you refer to it at all when you first started?
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keio chris
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Post by keio chris on Jun 24, 2015 12:51:13 GMT 9
Anyway, my question is has the Japanese for CIRs textbook been helpful for all of you? Did you refer to it at all when you first started? I didn't really use it at all, but I feel like it was better than the Translation and Interpretation Course book.
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Post by snell_mouse on Jun 24, 2015 13:12:07 GMT 9
I think documents of that type (especially your contract) have a certain style of Japanese that can take a little bit to get used to at first - don't be discouraged!
I brought my textbook in to work and looked through it when I had free time (the beginning is pretty slow) and while I can't think of any concrete examples I'm sure it helped more than it hurt.
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Post by rhfs on Jun 24, 2015 13:28:42 GMT 9
I know a lot of you have said not to worry about studying Japanese before arriving to Japan, but I just got the welcome packets/contract from my CO and found it difficult trying to read through everything. I don't know if these documents are actually hard to read or if I'm just terrible hue. Anyway, my question is has the Japanese for CIRs textbook been helpful for all of you? Did you refer to it at all when you first started? I was in a similar position to be honest. I remember looking at the very first sentence of my welcome packet and thinking "shit, I can't even read this". When you are getting into the sort of legal/formal speak that is common in that type of paperwork it can be difficult if you're not familiar with some of the vocab. I don't think I ever looked at that textbook to be honest. Though I had a business Japanese textbook from college that I was already familiar with and read over before coming here.
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Post by Creator of the Cosmos on Jun 24, 2015 14:06:41 GMT 9
I know a lot of you have said not to worry about studying Japanese before arriving to Japan, but I just got the welcome packets/contract from my CO and found it difficult trying to read through everything. I don't know if these documents are actually hard to read or if I'm just terrible hue. Anyway, my question is has the Japanese for CIRs textbook been helpful for all of you? Did you refer to it at all when you first started? it was fairly okay as i recall, the phone conversation part in particular. my first two years I was answering phones a lot, and making a copy of that page, cutting it out, and putting it somewhere easily visible on my desk helped me nail a lot of the first spoopy phone calls.
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Post by Sparkles on Jun 24, 2015 14:08:07 GMT 9
I definitely looked through the whole thing once and picked out parts that I wasn't as familiar with to practice a little bit -- mostly the phone and email etiquette sections. It can't hurt to look through it and study parts that you're not comfortable with. Since a CIR's work varies wildly depending on their placement, the textbook is much more general and may have situations that don't apply to you. But like snell said, I don't think it would hurt!
You'll get much more used to formal/business/contract Japanese once you're on the job, and it's okay to leave learning all of that until you're actually on the job. I'm willing to bet a good chunk of 英語圏 CIRs had never encountered (much of) Japanese like that before becoming a CIR. Still, it might be a good idea to take a bit of time and slowly work through the welcome packet if you have time. Be patient with yourself! You can do it!!
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Post by keio chris on Jun 24, 2015 14:12:07 GMT 9
Quick question: does anyone remember if it had anything in it about tourism? I feel like that's the one area of CIR-dom that CLAIR kind of pretend doesn't exist.
I only started doing tourism just before my second year began, so the transfer wasn't too tough, but getting to grips with some PR speak could help if your job involves it.
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su
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Post by su on Jun 25, 2015 6:31:30 GMT 9
Thanks everyone for the advice! I'll definitely go through the textbook once and hold on to it just in case. I think going through all the papers and translating everything through instead of just reading it is helping a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 8:52:13 GMT 9
I'm sure a lot of our awesome incoming CIRs are already thinking about stuff like this, but one thing I want to suggest is that you ask your pred. not only about work duties, but also things like the general work environment and expectations of CIRs in that particular placement. For example, my particular CO takes the idea of being a "cultural ambassador" to a real extreme here, and there is a lot of emphasis on getting involved in the community.
My pred. didn't explain this aspect of my position at all to me, leading to a lot of awkward and frustrating interactions with my coworkers in the first few months. But my successor asked about making a good impression/things to do and avoid in my particular placement which led me to answer as honestly as I could about what this CO expects.
I am sure a lot of COs are like "whatever" but some have very particular ideas about 国際交流 so knowing as much as possible in advance will make the transition much smoother.
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Post by むちゃRABU❤ on Jun 25, 2015 14:04:57 GMT 9
I feel like the most useful vocabulary list though would be those related to 公務員 stuff. Like ~書 and all that. I had no idea what any of it were and many a times, I'd just type away into my dictionary as my colleagues talk around me. You can think about that. But I think if you get a lot of translations or you voluntarily translate stuff, you can pick up the related terms a lot faster. In any case, there isn't really not much learning you can get done before getting here, really. I mean, Japan offices also differ in language use by region. See: Aomori hue
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Post by G-Rex on Jun 26, 2015 17:29:08 GMT 9
i kind of just bs'd my way through work for the first 6 months i think
there was a lot of "oh those kanji mean that piece of paper that i need to stamp on X occasion". echoing others, there is definitely a lot of "公務員-語" that takes a lot of time getting used to.
but you will get used to it, and i think coworkers are generally understanding of that. the things you learn studying japanese at university and the japanese used in prefectural offices are so different, you might as well be learning a new subject.
but it comes with time, and in probably much less time than it took me, as i don't think i ever read through the textbook/handbook thing.
this is on-the-job training comparable to being thrown into a cockpit of a plane and just told to flick certain switches in a certain order to make things work. eventually you'll find out/realise/ask what each switch means and then your understanding will slowly start falling into place. you'll become able to start up the plane and take off with minimal help. turbulence will come along and it will be "just copy my co-pilot and pretend i know what i'm doing" more than anything, but that too, you will learn how to handle in time.
eventually you'll be doing everything by yourself without even noticing that you're the only person left in the cockpit cos the co-pilot is having beers with the stewardess outside.
tl;dr - steep learning curve, but very rewarding when you look back on how far you've come. patience and determination to look up kanji you don't know will serve you much better than trying to cram in study and "prepare".
also just copy your coworkers, cos that's what they're doing as well.
i'm not really sure if this post helps.
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Post by H E Y on Jun 29, 2015 16:54:01 GMT 9
Hello fellow future CIRs. Let's chat. What's on your mind? I've been considering what I want to pack and it turns out I'm not overly attached to anything, so I'll probably be turning up at Keio Plaza with just a toothbrush in my pocket. Meanwhile I'll be spending my remaining time studying. I'll admit to a few nerves about my Japanese level. leave the toothbrush at home. bring toothpaste. toothpaste here has zero or very little fluoride (they do it on purpose to support the dental industry).
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Post by hohoEMIsen on Mar 29, 2017 21:45:41 GMT 9
Hi, everyone!
I'm reviving this thread because it's the time of the year. I know I shouldn't be this impatient when I haven't even gotten details on my placement, but since I have time to start preparing now, I shall just do it.
I have read through the whole of this thread, but I still have lots of questions to ask.
How much money should we bring over in terms of yen? I think for the apartment there’s the rent, deposit and gift money? How does our apartments work anyway? What about furnitures and whatnots? And then we need enough money to survive one month before our pay comes in right?
How much clothes should I bring? I’m thinking of getting nearly all my clothes at second-hand shops in Japan like Mode Off or at places like Don Don Down but I’m not sure… what if they don’t really fit me - in terms of look, or are not suitable for the office, or I can't find any decent second-hand shop around the area.. I’m a small sized Asian female, though, so size shouldn’t be a problem. Also, how many formal outfits should I bring? The problem is I only have one complete formal outfit that I wore for my interview. Should I buy more?
How much omiyages to bring? And what sort of things are good? The thing about Singapore is that we import nearly everything, so I can’t really think of anything suitable except for Merlion chocolates and keychains. Will that be enough? It feels kinda cheap…
Was there anything you brought over that you found really useful, or anything you wished you had brought but did not?
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Post by Gloriaria on Mar 30, 2017 1:09:50 GMT 9
How much money should we bring over in terms of yen? I think for the apartment there’s the rent, deposit and gift money? How does our apartments work anyway? What about furnitures and whatnots? And then we need enough money to survive one month before our pay comes in right? How much clothes should I bring? Thanks for reviving this post, it's so WAKUWAKU to read through it and it served also as a process for me to realize that I'm really IN! (This is gonna go on for two more weeks I think) In terms of the information I've gathered from hulemdos who are on jet right now (mostly ALT), bringing about 1k US=100 000yen is a reasonably amount. But if you have a VISA credit card, you can always draw more cash from local convenient stores or post offices, which is what I plan to do. Bringing large amounts of cash feels very insecure for me so...
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Post by sven on Mar 30, 2017 6:27:23 GMT 9
Money: 2000-3000 US is the standard answer, and honestly the best. If you're in the Inaka, can get by on less, even just $1000 for your first month. But there's no way to say where you're going, and having the freedom of 2000-3000 is nice because it makes it easier to say yes to parties, buy new stuff, and generally make your first month memorable. Nowadays it's much easier to pull money from bank cards in Japan, so bringing 2000-3000 in hard cash is less necessary, but I still think it helps to have a big chunk of cash on day one.
As CIRs, chances are really, really low you'd go to Tokyo, but if you do be aware that start-up costs there are insane. Tokyo PAs recommend bringing 4000 to 5000 US.
Apartments: Most JETs take over from their predecessors, which is usually a pretty simple process. You move in, get some stuff (pred may ask you to pay for it) and then you're good to go. You can also move into a new apartment, but this is rarer. In nearly all cases, your CO arranges this stuff for you.
If you do get some stuff from your pred furniture-wise (no guarantee you will) I'd personally recommend going through it and tossing stuff you don't like. Lots of people stick with hand-me-downs that they hate because it's cheaper, but I think getting new items and making the apartment 'yours' can go a long way to helping settle in.
If you go to Tokyo, you'll need to search for a new apartment (Tokyo apparetnly connects you to an apartment agency to look for you, but you can search on your own too) and will likely have to pay all the costs associated with that (key money, etc.)
Omiyage: I think everyone worries too much about this. Bring some snacks for your sections, and some fancier things for the big-wigs, but don't stress about it. Fancier chocolates (individually wrapped) are good for food.
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Post by CaptainSeery on Mar 30, 2017 8:41:31 GMT 9
MoneyDitto sven. You really don't have any idea of how much you'll need to pay, so better to aim high for 200,000-300,000 yen. It really depends on your situation (ESID: every situation is different) if you'll need to pay things like deposits and key money, or if your apartment is owned by your CO and you only have to pay rent (and if you're really lucky, not even that.) If you are inaka, you might very well need a car, which can have high start-up costs as well. Personally I only brought about 50,000 in cash and took the rest out from ATMs for the first month as I needed it, but you might find it easier to just bring it all in cash. I would say you don't necessarily need that 300,000 in cash, but you do need to have it available in your bank account to withdraw at any moment. ApartmentsI did have to pay deposit and key money when I moved into my current place, but that's cause I didn't take over my pred's apartment. (And I was able to do that because I was already in Japan and able to talk with him and decide it sounded like shit, which I was right about. And he recommended me my current place, too. Probably will be less possible for most of you.) Again, it depends, largely on who has the contract with the apartment (you or your CO) and if you have a pred (you very well might not, in which case you'll likely have to spend a lot on furniture unless you have a very nice CO). Also depends on if your pred is staying in the area or not - sometimes they stay put and keep their apartment. Honestly, I wouldn't even begin to think about this until you know your placement and can get in touch with your pred/soup. ClothesAgain, depends to an extent on your placement. Most of the time I don't have to be very formal. A lot of my coworkers wear sneakers with their business casual clothes, for example. However, I live in a very rural place and so there's not really anything in the way of second-hand clothing stores (or first-hand clothing stores...) I wouldn't count on that being an option. Although you can get a decent work wardrobe for a decent price at stores like Uniqlo and Shimamura, which are pretty ubiquitous, if not particularly fashionable. I think people at kenchos do have to be more formal as a rule. On the other hand if you're a BOE CIR who mostly does school visits, you can probably get away with pretty casual stuff on your school visits. It is good to have at least one suit, for when you meet the mayor and if you have to interpret for any bigwigs. Dress code for conferences like Mid-Year Chaos tends to be fairly formal, so you need at least three day's worth for that (although you can certainly rewear your suit). Also, there's big differences in weather (and you have to bundle up in winter because there's no such thing as insulation here...) so be sure to have both summery and wintery formal options. But you can probably get away with bringing just one formal thing at first, and buy more here. OmiyageAgree with sven - you really don't need to do anything all that fancy.
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Post by hohoEMIsen on Mar 30, 2017 9:40:29 GMT 9
Thank you sven for replying. Tokyo sounds extremely spoopy for my pocket. Thanks for the heads-up about it. I’m glad to hear that my CO arranges such stuff with me. Noted on tossing out the stuff I don’t like. I do understand why people stick with hand-me-downs, though. I think maybe I’ll toss out stuff if I can find suitable replacements for them first. Roger on the omiyages Hi CaptainSeery and thank you for replying. I did check the ‘I don’t have a driving license’ checkbox, so I do hope they don’t send me to a place where I need a car… I’m not the sort to freak out over having a lot of money in the form of cash, so I’ll probably bring everything I need. I have heard that ATMs in Japan are pesky little things. Thank you for sharing about your apartment JIJOH and your advice on clothes. I’ll get more inners to go with my suit then. Also, I’ll probably be asking my pred/soup so many questions they’ll be like STAHP. Okay, I’ll try not to. PS: Does CO means Coordinator? Edit: Why is Scあry spoopy?
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Post by no yark shark on Mar 30, 2017 9:54:37 GMT 9
Thank you sven for replying. Tokyo sounds extremely spoopy for my pocket. Thanks for the heads-up about it. I’m glad to hear that my CO arranges such stuff with me. Noted on tossing out the stuff I don’t like. I do understand why people stick with hand-me-downs, though. I think maybe I’ll toss out stuff if I can find suitable replacements for them first. Roger on the omiyages Hi CaptainSeery and thank you for replying. I did check the ‘I don’t have a driving license’ checkbox, so I do hope they don’t send me to a place where I need a car… I’m not the sort to freak out over having a lot of money in the form of cash, so I’ll probably bring everything I need. I have heard that ATMs in Japan are pesky little things. Thank you for sharing about your apartment JIJOH and your advice on clothes. I’ll get more inners to go with my suit then. Also, I’ll probably be asking my pred/soup so many questions they’ll be like STAHP. Okay, I’ll try not to. PS: Does CO means Coordinator? Edit: Why is Scあry spoopy? 1. CO is contracting organization 2. The Eternal Overlords can make it so that when you type certain words (or people's names) they're cheeky huleezued into other things. s.cary is one and also f.riend turns into hulemdo. I will add for anyone who may be lurking and ends up needing a car, that lots of places will let you pay in installments. I'm in a fairly small-ish town and my kakaricho lives really close to the dealer where we got my car, and since I'm a city employee they just let me pay it in two big chunks very informally. Actually, the car was pretty much the only thing I had to pay for in my first month. It was 150,000 yen in total and I payed about 70,000 up front. I had no up-front costs for my apartment because it's rented by the city, and it was well furnished with stuff I actually like (although I did eventually buy my own sofa). I also got a really cheap phone so I don't think I had to pay much for it until I got my first bill.
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Post by CaptainSeery on Mar 30, 2017 9:58:34 GMT 9
CO means Contracting Organizations. If you're a 役場 JET, it's your 市町村. If you're 県庁, it's the 県. If you're at a 国際交流協会... it's.... I dunno actually hue. The 協会? The 県? But basically, it's your office and the people you'll be working with. They shouldn't send you somewhere you'll need a car, although you might still end up in a place that it would be helpful.... I feel like nikinee can't drive but has a placement that would be useful with a car. (I could be wrong.) spoopy is spoopy because the Eternal Overlords like their cheeky huleezus.
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