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Post by 江戸っ子Hakujin on Apr 21, 2016 5:52:13 GMT 9
Just wondering! Do we get separate training from the ALTs? Or are we we trained with them? What do they do to help us prepare? Thank you!
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Post by songbanana on Apr 21, 2016 8:37:03 GMT 9
Some things like the big opening speeches and regional meetings are together, but most of the job-related training is separate. If it's the same as it has been in years past, the CIRs are up on a higher floor for most of the day doing lots of workshops and getting lots of paper.
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Post by telly on Apr 21, 2016 9:22:22 GMT 9
Yeah, you will get a great view of Shinjuku from the upper floors, with special seminars aimed at points that will helpfully be relevant to your experience.
It can be quite a lot in the beginning, especially since it's the August heat and you just stepped foot (probably again) into Japan.
Try to take away as much as you can and maybe get information on the people presenting to get into further contact with them if you have questions afterwards.
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Post by dosanko on Apr 21, 2016 11:39:10 GMT 9
I attended in 2014, ad there were 翻訳・通訳・ビジネスマナー講座s, including a seminar to help you answer phones in a Japanese office, how to aisatsu, as well as - if I recall correctly - a panel discussion/Q&A session by existing CIRs? As others mentioned above, the views were fantastic, especially from the bathroom.
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Post by King Quailbee on Apr 21, 2016 15:23:25 GMT 9
I attended in 2015. I was pretty miserable because of the jet lag, especially as the afternoon sessions started. You can not connect to wifi in the nice room that you get and they give you tiny water glasses that this one man refilled for you - so I would recommend grabbing a water bottle or whatever from a convenience store to rehydrate. It really helps with focusing. The 翻訳・通訳・ビジネスマナー seminars are quite exhausting so don't beat yourself up over having trouble in it. Also try hard not to compare yourself to others. There will be some people there who will have zero jet lag and they are functioning at their complete best, while others, like me, was just wanting to go flop in bed and never speak. Also, you won't have any idea what your job is going to be like until you get there, so just try to make connections with fellow CIRs, try to pay attention and use the time as just a 日本語能力 warm-up. You will probably get better training at the Mid-Year Conference held in November. The bathrooms were the best. The hotel was super nice.
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Post by no yark shark on Apr 21, 2016 15:31:12 GMT 9
I attended in 2015. I was pretty miserable because of the jet lag, especially as the afternoon sessions started. You can not connect to wifi in the nice room that you get and they give you tiny water glasses that this one man refilled for you - so I would recommend grabbing a water bottle or whatever from a convenience store to rehydrate. It really helps with focusing. The 翻訳・通訳・ビジネスマナー seminars are quite exhausting so don't beat yourself up over having trouble in it. Also try hard not to compare yourself to others. There will be some people there who will have zero jet lag and they are functioning at their complete best, while others, like me, was just wanting to go flop in bed and never speak. Also, you won't have any idea what your job is going to be like until you get there, so just try to make connections with fellow CIRs, try to pay attention and use the time as just a 日本語能力 warm-up. You will probably get better training at the Mid-Year Conference held in November. The bathrooms were the best. The hotel was super nice. Then there was me, who ran out of the 2nd session and then missed the entire afternoon of the first day due to Jet-Lag related nausea. Also I dunno if I would say Mid-Year Chaos was useful...
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Post by King Quailbee on Apr 21, 2016 15:39:40 GMT 9
I attended in 2015. I was pretty miserable because of the jet lag, especially as the afternoon sessions started. You can not connect to wifi in the nice room that you get and they give you tiny water glasses that this one man refilled for you - so I would recommend grabbing a water bottle or whatever from a convenience store to rehydrate. It really helps with focusing. The 翻訳・通訳・ビジネスマナー seminars are quite exhausting so don't beat yourself up over having trouble in it. Also try hard not to compare yourself to others. There will be some people there who will have zero jet lag and they are functioning at their complete best, while others, like me, was just wanting to go flop in bed and never speak. Also, you won't have any idea what your job is going to be like until you get there, so just try to make connections with fellow CIRs, try to pay attention and use the time as just a 日本語能力 warm-up. You will probably get better training at the Mid-Year Conference held in November. The bathrooms were the best. The hotel was super nice. Then there was me, who ran out of the 2nd session and then missed the entire afternoon of the first day due to Jet-Lag related nausea. Also I dunno if I would say Mid-Year Chaos was useful... I mean, yeah, there were some seminars that weren't useful or just badly done...but I felt like I got more out of Mid-Year Chaos than I did from the orientation training MAINLY because of the lack of jet lag and I had a goal in mind of what I wanted to learn more about.
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Post by no yark shark on Apr 21, 2016 15:42:32 GMT 9
Then there was me, who ran out of the 2nd session and then missed the entire afternoon of the first day due to Jet-Lag related nausea. Also I dunno if I would say Mid-Year Chaos was useful... I mean, yeah, there were some seminars that weren't useful or just badly done...but I felt like I got more out of Mid-Year Chaos than I did from the orientation training MAINLY because of the lack of jet lag and I had a goal in mind of what I wanted to learn more about. Oh. I feel like I got pretty much nothing out of Mid-Year Chaos, except maybe some good interpreting advice from the ERAI HITO NO TAIOU presentation, but even then I only do interpretation like 3 times a year ._. And there was absolutely NOTHING on events which is what I do the most of.
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Post by King Quailbee on Apr 21, 2016 15:55:34 GMT 9
no yark sharkTrue about the lack of events. There were also some presentations that felt like a "Look at all the awesome stuff I'm doing" without telling how they managed to do it. I think Mid-Year Chaos was worth it because of the guy teaching about photoshop magic. Haha.
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Post by no yark shark on Apr 21, 2016 15:57:23 GMT 9
no yark shark True about the lack of events. There were also some presentations that felt like a "Look at all the awesome stuff I'm doing" without telling how they managed to do it. I think Mid-Year Chaos was worth it because of the guy teaching about photoshop magic. Haha. it was worth it for the bants. I think I was actually in a worse state during Mid-Year Chaos from staying up until 2:00 am both nights than from jetlag.
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Post by King Quailbee on Apr 21, 2016 16:01:41 GMT 9
no yark sharkDude, I'd rather that feeling of staying up late and having fun, than from just feeling emotionally and physically drained from jet lag.
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Post by telly on Apr 21, 2016 16:04:10 GMT 9
The difference between TO and Mid-Year Chaos is that you will have a better grasp of what might be useful for your personal workplace come November.
Also, as I mentioned earlier, maybe try to talk to the people giving presentations, especially if they are CIRs, afterwards.
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Post by CaptainSeery on Apr 21, 2016 16:15:11 GMT 9
no yark shark True about the lack of events. There were also some presentations that felt like a "Look at all the awesome stuff I'm doing" without telling how they managed to do it.
I think Mid-Year Chaos was worth it because of the guy teaching about photoshop magic. Haha. That was my main issue with Mid-Year Chaos. Like, the stuff they talked about was interesting and it sounds like they have cool jobs, but... in the majority of cases I would not be able to even attempt to do the same sort of event, and even if I'd wanted to, they didn't say a word about HOW they did it, so... that was less than useless. All I got out of it was jealousy and feeling bad about myself.
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Post by tomoe on Apr 22, 2016 9:18:55 GMT 9
I liked TO a lot more than Mid-Year Chaos. I had just arrived and was absolutely exhausted at all times from trying to understand all of the Japanese, but I felt like I learned a lot. Almost all of the sessions were really good imo (Group A 2015). Mid-Year Chaos last year was just...boring and kinda pointless aside from getting to hang out with the other CIRs. The only sessions I felt were useful were the ones conducted by that group The Management Center (they did a session at my TO as well that I liked).
Anyway, you might be a bit overwhelmed at TO, but just try to get enough sleep and learn as much as you can. Totally agree with quail that you shouldn't compare yourself to other people, also. Everyone is at different levels of Japanese skill (and general being alive, considering the jet lag), but it mostly evens out after a couple months on the job.
Also: you will be taught keigo 1238127489 times. You will still probably eff up the keigo when you get to work at first. This is normal.
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Post by King Quailbee on Apr 22, 2016 9:30:22 GMT 9
tomoeHeeeeeey, same group!
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Post by マイJake - 島人ぬ宝 on Apr 22, 2016 12:00:22 GMT 9
I liked TO a lot more than Mid-Year Chaos. I had just arrived and was absolutely exhausted at all times from trying to understand all of the Japanese, but I felt like I learned a lot. Almost all of the sessions were really good imo (Group A 2015). Mid-Year Chaos last year was just...boring and kinda pointless aside from getting to hang out with the other CIRs. The only sessions I felt were useful were the ones conducted by that group The Management Center (they did a session at my TO as well that I liked). The only real reason for having Mid-Year Chaos in the first place.
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Post by tomoe on Apr 22, 2016 13:12:31 GMT 9
I liked TO a lot more than Mid-Year Chaos. I had just arrived and was absolutely exhausted at all times from trying to understand all of the Japanese, but I felt like I learned a lot. Almost all of the sessions were really good imo (Group A 2015). Mid-Year Chaos last year was just...boring and kinda pointless aside from getting to hang out with the other CIRs. The only sessions I felt were useful were the ones conducted by that group The Management Center (they did a session at my TO as well that I liked). The only real reason for having Mid-Year Chaos in the first place. I really think they should just not have sessions and just set up a bunch of lounges for us to chat for two days. It would be more useful.
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Post by マイJake - 島人ぬ宝 on Apr 22, 2016 13:45:59 GMT 9
The only real reason for having Mid-Year Chaos in the first place. I really think they should just not have sessions and just set up a bunch of lounges for us to chat for two days. It would be more useful. Except that sweet lecture on how to use powerpoint effectively. Probably one of the best lectures I have ever seen.
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Post by songbanana on Apr 22, 2016 16:06:19 GMT 9
Getting back on topic, at Tokyo Ori there will be a panel of CIRs like telly & dosanko said, but also gyomu Gyomu PCs (the foreign staff with nametags and earpieces) are often former CIRs and may be able to chat with you in between sessions. Personally I was super nervous about every aspect of everything and talking to current and former JETs made me feel better about everything, but I was too nervous/shy to talk to the staff--but you totally can! And any other presenters there might be! (And you have the forums ^_____^)
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Post by Sparkles on Apr 25, 2016 9:54:45 GMT 9
Also, this may seem very obvious, but all sessions for CIRs only are held entirely in Japanese. (It's our common language as 非英語圏 CIRs are also there.) The joint sessions with ALTs (the opening ceremony, your prefecture/designated city meeting) are bilingual or entirely in English.
When I was at my own TO, I wasn't necessarily surprised by this, but my state of jetlag would've impeded my language processing in any language, so I definitely felt overwhelmed most of the time I was there. I did think a good chunk of the training was helpful and relevant to my placement, especially the parts where I could talk with current/former CIRs. (My TO was back in 2013 where there were still current JETs as orientation assistants, but the PCs and the CIRs on the panel should still be around to talk with you if you'd like!) I appreciated being taught ビジネスマナー and 通訳 stuff a gazillion times, mostly so I could use the reference materials they passed out later to actually study since my state of jetlag made it so that hardly anything was sinking in.
I confess that I missed one of the sessions because I felt nauseated and accidentally fell asleep in my room during a break time. But I really needed that nap; I was able to get through the rest of the day okay. I'd say go to as many sessions as possible (ideally all of them), but if you're feeling really ill/exhausted, have a short nap. (If you can get in contact with your pred and they tell you what kinds of things are relevant for your placement, try to plan your emergency nap for a session that won't be as relevant to your work. ...I mean my own emergency nap was entirely unplanned buuuuuuuut.)
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Post by songbanana on Apr 25, 2016 14:07:58 GMT 9
+1 SparklesYes I also took an emergency nap when I arrived and it made a world of a difference. There is something for you to learn at each session of course, but more important is taking care of your health (mental and physical) which includes staying hydrated in the sweltering summer heat (though the rooms are carefully air conditioned), eating well, sleeping well, being patient with jet lag, not comparing your Japanese to other CIRs', being patient with yourself, taking things seriously but not too seriously, etc.! I know this sounds obvious but Tokyo Orientation can be stressful so it's important not to overdo it when you first arrive--you need to conserve your real energy for when you leave Tokyo and go to your placement.
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Post by telly on Apr 26, 2016 9:38:20 GMT 9
Also, being a CIR and a smoker was quite hard, because you would have to get down to the outside of the hotel in the limited time between sessions.
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Post by icaman on Apr 26, 2016 11:47:46 GMT 9
Agree that it's a great opportunity for meeting other JETs and networking.
Also got a kick out of the business Japanese and proper protocol for handing over meishi. The super keigo has served me well...
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Post by shanshan310 on Apr 27, 2016 0:12:46 GMT 9
This thread has got me pretty excited.
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Post by King Quailbee on Apr 27, 2016 8:50:52 GMT 9
This thread has got me pretty excited. Yay! Yay!
We are excited to meet you!
(But please, spend time with family, hulemdos, and any local places that you might miss. You'll have plenty of time to get to know your new home)
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Post by shanshan310 on Apr 30, 2016 22:53:39 GMT 9
This thread has got me pretty excited. Yay! Yay!
We are excited to meet you!
(But please, spend time with family, hulemdos, and any local places that you might miss. You'll have plenty of time to get to know your new home)
Thanks I am trying to take advantage of seeing family and hulemdos, and more importantly using my oven, as much as possible.
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Post by nikinee on May 5, 2016 10:46:38 GMT 9
Thanks everyone for all the info! So much of the information floating about the FB groups are for ALTs, so it's nice to get an idea of what's in store for us CIRs! Thankfully, I'll be coming from Australia, so I won't be dealing with jet lag throughout orientation
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Post by Honey on May 6, 2016 22:31:26 GMT 9
Thanks for all the information! Are the TO and Mid-Year Chaos the only times we will get information or seminars with interpreting and translating? Or will there be other resources for us? The more time passes, the more I question my abilities now, while waiting for the placement.
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Post by ザ・penguin54 on May 9, 2016 7:02:02 GMT 9
Thanks for all the information! Are the TO and Mid-Year Chaos the only times we will get information or seminars with interpreting and translating? Or will there be other resources for us? The more time passes, the more I question my abilities now, while waiting for the placement. there's also the JET translation/interpretation course, which is mostly correspondence-based but also includes a weeklong training in 滋賀県 in early December. you can only take it if your CO has the budget for it and if you pass the 選抜試験 (which I think is an issue for ALTs more than CIRs).
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Post by Mumblesnore on May 22, 2016 13:15:51 GMT 9
How much free time is there each night? My bf is considering meeting me in Tokyo but it seems like we won't have enough time to be together to make it worth the trip for him, and I wonder if it might just be better for him to visit me in rock hand after I'm settled. The only thing is Tokyo is way cheaper/more convenient for him to visit than rock hand is.
どうしようかな
(Also, i don't want to be that guy at orientation that's like "bye losers" and spends zero time with the other JETS) (But I also haven't seen my bf in a year)
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